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Why is Israeli bombing refugee camps in Gaza?

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elephantblock · 31/10/2023 17:42

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Parkingt111 · 01/11/2023 14:34

@IstandWithIsrael
I am not against Israel
I am against the actions of the Israeli government
Even many of the Israeli citizen are criticising the Israeli government

Lentilweaver · 01/11/2023 14:31

IstandWithIsrael · 01/11/2023 14:23

@Ecdysiast

it's mean nothing
this is jews who's not leave here
they know nothing
I can't also show you a lot's of palastnien that on our side!

and for the one who call us terorist
I really want to know your opinion
if it was your family in the morning of 7/10
if it was your house

what you think we shloud do

waiting for your answer

I lost someone very close to me in the 2008 Mumbai attacks, when Islamic terrorists killed over 200 people, including tiny children in hotels, railway stations and hospitals. It was proven the terrorists came from Pakistan, which has form for harbouring terrorists. I did not call for the mass bombing of the general Pakistani population or the slaughter of their children as retaliation. Neither did any of the victims. Those responsible were caught and executed.

That is what I expect Israel to do.

Parkingt111 · 01/11/2023 14:31

IstandWithIsrael · 01/11/2023 14:25

@Parkingt111
ohhh the hamas said it was 400 killes?
they look like "good guys"
they just get into israel killed,raped and kidnapped 1500 pepole , they probably tell the truth

do you know sir,
here in israel have more then 1500 boddies
it's take us more then 2 weeks to count!
and we still counting!

if I like to see their homes bombed
sure don't
this is really horrofic!
but think about that
3 weeks into the war
the only thing there left in Gazza. is rockets amd missilse .

and not even 1 shelter!!

What Hamas did in Israel was an act of terrorism and extremely bad
I agree with you that this was bad

We are not criticising the Israeli civilians.
We are angry at Netanyahu and the Israeli government for continuing to bomb and kill thousands of civilians in the name of self defence
I don't believe that it is justified to bomb a camp which has majority women and children because you want to try and kill one Hamas commander or even a few

You have every right to feel safe in your country.
What Israel is doing now in the opinion of many will not bring safety to Israel but will create a number of new enemies at the expense of thousands of innocent civilians

IstandWithIsrael · 01/11/2023 14:29

@Lentilweaver

there is a big diffrence between country's that experience a terror atteck by 1 killer( that also horrible)
btween israel that have attaked by a terror organization as Hamas,
that tell the world loudly that want's us dead!!

if bibi and biden is a war criminals, what hamas is?

IstandWithIsrael · 01/11/2023 14:25

@Parkingt111
ohhh the hamas said it was 400 killes?
they look like "good guys"
they just get into israel killed,raped and kidnapped 1500 pepole , they probably tell the truth

do you know sir,
here in israel have more then 1500 boddies
it's take us more then 2 weeks to count!
and we still counting!

if I like to see their homes bombed
sure don't
this is really horrofic!
but think about that
3 weeks into the war
the only thing there left in Gazza. is rockets amd missilse .

and not even 1 shelter!!

IstandWithIsrael · 01/11/2023 14:24

@crumblingschoolsdo you famillier with any country in the world that will help the one who trying to kiil you?
we trying for years to help the palasinien and the gaza population
but what we get is war!
so why this supposed to be israel?
do you see any other arab\muslim country ra for the palastinien ?
because I don't
the opposite is the true
jordan and Egypt calling a war if we put them in their border!!
it's sound crazy, don't you think ?

IstandWithIsrael · 01/11/2023 14:24

@FrippEnos
This is what you see in the news, because right now
everyone against israel.

hamas use hospitals,schools and families homes for shelter!
we trying to avoid any civiliens to get hurt!

we are "very sorry" if we are helping to spred the propoganda
we just don't have other way after what they did to us

IstandWithIsrael · 01/11/2023 14:23

@Ecdysiast

it's mean nothing
this is jews who's not leave here
they know nothing
I can't also show you a lot's of palastnien that on our side!

and for the one who call us terorist
I really want to know your opinion
if it was your family in the morning of 7/10
if it was your house

what you think we shloud do

waiting for your answer

Parkingt111 · 01/11/2023 14:23

IstandWithIsrael · 01/11/2023 14:17

Parkingt111
ohhh the hamas said it was 400 killes?
they look like "good guys"
they just get into israel killed,raped and kidnapped 1500 pepole , they probably tell the truth

do you know sir,
here in israel have more then 1500 boddies
it's take us more then 2 weeks to count!
and we still counting!

if I like to see their homes bombed
sure don't
this is really horrofic!
but think about that
3 weeks into the war
the only thing there left in Gazza. is rockets amd missilse .

and not even 1 shelter!!

If you read what I put up then you will see that the surgical director at that particular hospital, who was giving an interview said they recieved around 400 casualties and around 120 of them were dead
This is the doctor saying who was giving the interview
Il post it again for you

Why is Israeli bombing refugee camps in Gaza?
Lentilweaver · 01/11/2023 14:20

Israel is not the only country in the world to face Islamic terrorism. Nearly every country has. Israel and the US are the only ones to bomb the shit out of innocents though. Netanyahu and Biden are war criminals.

Ecdysiast · 01/11/2023 14:19

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IstandWithIsrael · 01/11/2023 14:17

Parkingt111
ohhh the hamas said it was 400 killes?
they look like "good guys"
they just get into israel killed,raped and kidnapped 1500 pepole , they probably tell the truth

do you know sir,
here in israel have more then 1500 boddies
it's take us more then 2 weeks to count!
and we still counting!

if I like to see their homes bombed
sure don't
this is really horrofic!
but think about that
3 weeks into the war
the only thing there left in Gazza. is rockets amd missilse .

and not even 1 shelter!!

IstandWithIsrael · 01/11/2023 14:10

crumblingschools
do you famillier with any country in the world that will help the one who trying to kiil you?
we trying for years to help the palasinien and the gaza population
but what we get is war!
so why this supposed to be israel?
do you see any other arab\muslim country ra for the palastinien ?
because I don't
the opposite is the true
jordan and Egypt calling a war if we put them in their border!!
it's sound crazy, don't you think ?

FrippEnos-
This is what you see in the news, because right now
everyone against israel.

hamas use hospitals,schools and families homes for shelter!
we trying to avoid any civiliens to get hurt!

we are "very sorry" if we are helping to spred the propoganda
we just don't have other way after what they did to us

Parkingt111 · 01/11/2023 14:03

A piece in the BBC whilst the gazans are still trying to pull out bodies and any survivors from the rubble of the strike
I really applaud the doctors in Gaza who have shown immense strength in continuing despite the horrors they face every single day

Why is Israeli bombing refugee camps in Gaza?
crumblingschools · 01/11/2023 13:40

But didn’t Israel already have some control over water, electricity supplies etc to Gaza as it was pretty much a blockaded area, so if they cut supplies they have nothing.

FrippEnos · 01/11/2023 13:33

IstandWithIsrael · 01/11/2023 13:11

Attention, please!!
This is a long post!

This is for all the progressives who don't have a clue about the Israel-Palestine conflict at all!

In 2005, Israel left Gaza. We forced our own people to leave their homes. The army grabbed them and kicked them out. For peace! We left them homes, villas, we gave them everything that they needed - for free. They could have made anything with that. They could have made a country.

Instead of that,

In 2006, Hamas took over Gaza. And they want it all - they started to shout "from the river to the sea". Do you know what that means, guys?

It means to kill all the Jews from Gaza to Jordan!

Long story short,

On October 7, Gaza's army broke the border.

They killed, burned, kidnapped, murdered and raped everyone who was on their way!

Kids, women and elderly.

They killed more than 1400 people from all over the world and kidnapped more than 240!

They declared a war! Not us.

Now I'm asking you - what would you do?

What do you think, guys, Israel needs to do

To guarantee our life here?

OK, so you guys take a side, but you don't really take a moment to dive into the details, to the history.

I know, it's very easy to look at the pictures in Gaza and take the underdog's side.

You want to free Palestine?

Free them from Hamas.

This is not Israel against Hamas = ISIS.

This is the light against the dark.

You don't really have to love us to be on our side.

You just have to be h u m a n.

Do you think that bombing Palestinian civilians will stop Hamas or do you think that it will just breed more hatred and in fact do the opposite?

Stand with Israel all you want but at least see that they are not curing the disease they are helping to propagate it.

Personally I stand with all the innocents that are suffering due to the actions of Hamas and Israel.

eardefender · 01/11/2023 13:31

gratedbluecheese · 01/11/2023 13:22

@eardefender

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/31/have-war-crimes-been-committed-in-israel-and-gaza-and-what-international-laws-apply

The UN also said that Israel may be committing the war crime of collective punishment through its siege of the Gaza territory. The International Committee of the Red Cross agreed.

“The instructions issued by the Israeli authorities for the population of Gaza City to immediately leave their homes, coupled with the complete siege, explicitly denying them food, water and electricity are not compatible with international humanitarian law,” it said.

Amnesty International said it has “documented unlawful Israeli attacks, including indiscriminate attacks, which caused mass civilian casualties and must be investigated as war crimes”.

Human Rights Watch said that “multiple war crimes have been and continue to be committed in Israel and Palestine, with grave concerns that Israeli forces and Palestinian armed groups are carrying out unlawful indiscriminate attacks harming civilians”.

The Palestinian health ministry in Gaza, which is run by Hamas, said more than 8,000 people have been killed in the Israeli assault, including more than 3,000 children.

Some groups have gone further and accused Israel of genocide, although lawyers said that is a harder crime to prove under international law.

LOL at your gaslighting and propaganda @eardefender

These are all 'mights' and 'maybes' from questionable organisations who are struggling with the own credibility. The UN, Guardian, Amnesty. They are not the law. I am not saying they are wrong but they are not Lawyers. I think the test is if this actually gets into a court and a judgement is made. Might have is not the same as has. I am very skeptical that Israel is breaking the law.
All these organisations are in a position to give an opinion as much as any of us can that Israel (always Israel never Hamas) is committing war crimes.

The figures of deaths are from Hamas and need to be treated with skepticism, they are obviously not all civilian deaths and we know Hamas lies.

They also seem to be incredibly fast at counting dead bodies, it has taken Israel 3 weeks to count their dead and hostages but hamas takes only hours and they are weirdly always even numbers.

the above are facts not any kind of propaganda.

gratedbluecheese · 01/11/2023 13:23

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gratedbluecheese · 01/11/2023 13:22

@eardefender

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/31/have-war-crimes-been-committed-in-israel-and-gaza-and-what-international-laws-apply

The UN also said that Israel may be committing the war crime of collective punishment through its siege of the Gaza territory. The International Committee of the Red Cross agreed.

“The instructions issued by the Israeli authorities for the population of Gaza City to immediately leave their homes, coupled with the complete siege, explicitly denying them food, water and electricity are not compatible with international humanitarian law,” it said.

Amnesty International said it has “documented unlawful Israeli attacks, including indiscriminate attacks, which caused mass civilian casualties and must be investigated as war crimes”.

Human Rights Watch said that “multiple war crimes have been and continue to be committed in Israel and Palestine, with grave concerns that Israeli forces and Palestinian armed groups are carrying out unlawful indiscriminate attacks harming civilians”.

The Palestinian health ministry in Gaza, which is run by Hamas, said more than 8,000 people have been killed in the Israeli assault, including more than 3,000 children.

Some groups have gone further and accused Israel of genocide, although lawyers said that is a harder crime to prove under international law.

LOL at your gaslighting and propaganda @eardefender

Have war crimes been committed in Israel and Gaza and what international laws apply?

The UN has said there is evidence that international humanitarian law may have been breached by both sides in the conflict

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/31/have-war-crimes-been-committed-in-israel-and-gaza-and-what-international-laws-apply

SeeReality · 01/11/2023 13:21

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eardefender · 01/11/2023 13:17

@gratedbluecheese
Do you condemn war crimes?

Yes. Everyone does, apart from Hamas, Russia, Iran and sadly a long list of others.

I know people feel very emotional about this (although it would seem less so for the hostages and 5,000 victims on the Israeli side from 7th October)

However, I think there is a question mark over whether Israel has broken any laws. Which ever side you are on, these are as far as i know, the facts.

Israel has no obligation to supply water and electricity to Gaza.
Israel has no obligation to open any part of their border to Gaza.
Israel has no obligation to send any aid to Garzan civilians.
Israel warned civilians of where air strikes/ground invasion would be and left time to evacuate.
Israel is hitting military targets and is not breaking the law if they hit civilians if they have told Civilians to get out and if the civilians are being used as a human shield by the opposing army.

The question of whether or not Israel has broken the law is, i think, no they haven't.

The other question of whether or not Israel is acting in a moral way is another entirely and one i am not qualified to answer. Israel have to put their civilians and hostages first and to do that they have to destroy as much of Hamas as possible.

gratedbluecheese · 01/11/2023 13:14

IstandWithIsrael · 01/11/2023 13:11

Attention, please!!
This is a long post!

This is for all the progressives who don't have a clue about the Israel-Palestine conflict at all!

In 2005, Israel left Gaza. We forced our own people to leave their homes. The army grabbed them and kicked them out. For peace! We left them homes, villas, we gave them everything that they needed - for free. They could have made anything with that. They could have made a country.

Instead of that,

In 2006, Hamas took over Gaza. And they want it all - they started to shout "from the river to the sea". Do you know what that means, guys?

It means to kill all the Jews from Gaza to Jordan!

Long story short,

On October 7, Gaza's army broke the border.

They killed, burned, kidnapped, murdered and raped everyone who was on their way!

Kids, women and elderly.

They killed more than 1400 people from all over the world and kidnapped more than 240!

They declared a war! Not us.

Now I'm asking you - what would you do?

What do you think, guys, Israel needs to do

To guarantee our life here?

OK, so you guys take a side, but you don't really take a moment to dive into the details, to the history.

I know, it's very easy to look at the pictures in Gaza and take the underdog's side.

You want to free Palestine?

Free them from Hamas.

This is not Israel against Hamas = ISIS.

This is the light against the dark.

You don't really have to love us to be on our side.

You just have to be h u m a n.

Do you condemn war crimes?

IstandWithIsrael · 01/11/2023 13:11

Attention, please!!
This is a long post!

This is for all the progressives who don't have a clue about the Israel-Palestine conflict at all!

In 2005, Israel left Gaza. We forced our own people to leave their homes. The army grabbed them and kicked them out. For peace! We left them homes, villas, we gave them everything that they needed - for free. They could have made anything with that. They could have made a country.

Instead of that,

In 2006, Hamas took over Gaza. And they want it all - they started to shout "from the river to the sea". Do you know what that means, guys?

It means to kill all the Jews from Gaza to Jordan!

Long story short,

On October 7, Gaza's army broke the border.

They killed, burned, kidnapped, murdered and raped everyone who was on their way!

Kids, women and elderly.

They killed more than 1400 people from all over the world and kidnapped more than 240!

They declared a war! Not us.

Now I'm asking you - what would you do?

What do you think, guys, Israel needs to do

To guarantee our life here?

OK, so you guys take a side, but you don't really take a moment to dive into the details, to the history.

I know, it's very easy to look at the pictures in Gaza and take the underdog's side.

You want to free Palestine?

Free them from Hamas.

This is not Israel against Hamas = ISIS.

This is the light against the dark.

You don't really have to love us to be on our side.

You just have to be h u m a n.

SinnerBoy · 01/11/2023 13:07

What, out of interest, do you think Hamas should do?

Personally, I'd like them to seal the tunnel doors, turn the ventilators off and in a few days, when they've breathed their last, everyone else could breathe a sigh of relief.

Sadly, I think that my option is unlikely.

Hamas keep talking but no one believes them or listens to them. Its like they are dancing around going 'hey guys over here we are totally evil please notice us'. Meanwhile the world just attends to Israel. It baffling.

Ah. Now. You appear to have forgotten / missed the widespread revulsion, sympathy for the Israeli victims and general harsh criticism of Hamas.

Three weeks down the line, things have moved on and Israel is busy dropping one ton bunker busters on residential areas, uncaring of the mass civilian casualties they know that they will inflict.

Lentilweaver · 01/11/2023 13:02

Viviennemary · 01/11/2023 12:56

The rules don't apply to Hamas, They can do what they like. Only one side needs to abide by the 'rules'.

Yes, that is generally the case when a terrorist group attacks a democracy which claims to follow international law. The democracy does not get to impose savage collective punishment on children. Otherwise, just call yourself a terrorist organisation.

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