Why is Israeli bombing refugee camps in Gaza?

That’s @eardefender

There are no safer areas. They are told to
go south to fe the north, but they are bombarded there and killed. Why won’t Israel open the borders for the Palestinian civilians
and get them out and then go bomb Hamas.

@eardefender how you minimise the suffering of the Palestinians
Is this the south that you stand on your high horse and tell them to move to?
Are you saying that its their own fault they were killed for not moving?
Give me one verified source that say Hamas physically prevented the civilians of the Jabaliya refugee camp from moving as that is what we are discussing right now?

@eardefender

Amnesty International said it has “documented unlawful Israeli attacks, including indiscriminate attacks, which caused mass civilian casualties and must be investigated as war crimes”.
Human Rights Watch said that “multiple war crimes have been and continue to be committed

there is no may-s here. There is multiple war crimes have been committed and the attacks must be investigated as war crimes.

@eardefender the civilians who evacuated to the south have also been bombed there. So much good it did them following the IDFs instructions eh?

Mass displacement continues. In the Gaza Strip, the cumulative number of internally displaced persons (IDPs) increased by 25% over the past 24 hours, now exceeding 423,000, of whom over two thirds are taking shelter in UNRWA schools," OCHA said, referring to the U.N. Palestinian refugee agency.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-says-over-400000-people-displaced-gaza-appeals-300-mln-2023-10-13/

so it’s not that they’ve moved to the south. Just that they’ve been displaced. Many to refugee camps and hospitals (the same ones that are being bombed)

also , Hamas is blocking the roads according to you. To me, after all the destruction that Israel is doing with the bombs the roads have became not usable

@EasterIssland
If Israel commits war crimes they need to be properly dealt with.
The summary that you put up is speculation from all parties. None of them are saying Israel is committing war crimes. If you look at the wording they are all carefully speculating. I am not blaming them for this.
There is a difference in saying that they are definitely committing war crimes and saying they might be.
These organisations are being careful with their wording because we don't know yet.

Most left to the south. I read about 400k or so remain. No idea if this is true though. I think its more than 100k left in Gaza city, depends how many bodies Hamas want as a shield. The population of the Gaza strip is some 2,2m.
Hamas did not ask them to stay they force them and block roads.

I blame Hamas for bringing this war to their civilians. Its a terrorist state.

The UN said that Hamas’s indiscriminate killing of hundreds of noncombatants, including children, and the abduction of about 200 others as hostages and human shields in Gaza, is a crime under international humanitarian law.

The UN also said that Israel may be committing the war crime of collective punishment through its siege of the Gaza territory. The International Committee of the Red Cross agreed.
“The instructions issued by the Israeli authorities for the population of Gaza City to immediately leave their homes, coupled with the complete siege, explicitly denying them food, water and electricity are not compatible with international humanitarian law,” it said.

Amnesty International said it has “documented unlawful Israeli attacks, including indiscriminate attacks, which caused mass civilian casualties and must be investigated as war crimes”.
Human Rights Watch said that “multiple war crimes have been and continue to be committed in Israel and Palestine, with grave concerns that Israeli forces and Palestinian armed groups are carrying out unlawful indiscriminate attacks harming civilians”.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/31/have-war-crimes-been-committed-in-israel-and-gaza-and-what-international-laws-apply

you can just focus on the May. The reality is that the sentence has got more than just May

@Auvergne63 I am sorry but if the UN, human rights lawyers, Amnesty International and others organisations have stated that the Israel government have committed war crimes. I will trust their assessment over yours. In addition, the bombing of the refugee camp killed 7 hostages and 1 Hamas leader. The IDF and government do not care an iota about the hostages. The Israeli bombs killed them, not Hamas

They haven't though, as i stated in my post, its all 'may' or 'might have'. Not very many are saying it for definite because i don't think they have, i don't think its uneqiuvocal that Israel have definitely committed war crimes.

We must not take anything that Hamas claims as the truth. We know they lie we have to wait and see what the truth of this bombing is and who really died.

I really don't think i am alone in thinking that the UN, Amnesty and the Guardian lack credibility, not least because of their bias toward Israel/Jews.

can You tell me how do 100k people move away from their homes in the middle of a war ? How do they move to the south ? Where do they go?
keep telling to yourself that hamas is asking them to stay … whilst UN and AI , URNWA keep saying that what Israel is doing is not right and they shouldn’t be displacing thousands of people.

if France came tomorrow and told you move or I’ll bomb your house , and you had nowhere to go and no way to movw and you heard those going to the south had been bombed I’m sure you’d be moving and leaving everything behind.

you say Israel didn’t ask for this war. Refugees didn’t neither

Sure. Keep telling that to yourself

they were told not to be there nearly 3 weeks ago. This is a war others have moved to safer areas. Hamas are to blame for keeping them there

this is a valid question when all the criticism is being laid onto Israel who did not ask for this war or start it.

“we just don't have other way after what they did to us”

yes you do @IstandWithIsrael , hamas is not the only Terrorist group in the world. In Spanish, in fact, I’m basque. Have you ever heard about ETA? Have you ever heard about 11 March 2023?

thanks god not every country (or politician) behaves like Israel is behaving at the moment.

Israel are indeed spreading propaganda but that is not what I meant.
Israel by their actions of indiscriminately killing non combatants (the civilians) is spreading hate against Israel.
By killing families the survivors will pass that hate on to their children, and they will become the next group to attack Israel.
And Israel is spreading the seeds that will make this happen.

Nearly a month after still …

@eardefender have you seen that the Jabaliya camp was struck again today?
Whilst the people there have not even managed to get all the injured and dead out the rubble
Can you see how little regard Israel have for the palestinian civilians?
Not even 24 hours after the first devastating strike

"If you repeat a lie often enough it becomes the truth”. Psychologists call like this the "illusion of truth" effect. It's a propaganda tool, which seems to have worked on you.

I am sorry but if the UN, human rights lawyers, Amnesty International and others organisations have stated that the Israel government have committed war crimes. I will trust their assessment over yours. In addition, the bombing of the refugee camp killed 7 hostages and 1 Hamas leader. The IDF and government do not care an iota about the hostages. The Israeli bombs killed them, not Hamas.

@eardefender I posted this just an hour ago
Yet here I am still being asked if I condemn Hamas

Oh for goodness sake how many times must I condemn Hamas on every single thread

Why is it that any thread I post on I'm asked atleast once if I condemn Hamas
Have you seen me posting anything here that shows I am pro Hamas?

@Parkingt111 What is your view on Hamas and the 7th October terrorist attacks?
Do you think Hamas care about Civilians and what is your view on that?
Do you condemn Hamas?

So are the settler extremist nutters who terrorise the Palestinians there with protection from the IDF and the Israeli military
It has gotten so bad that even Biden spoke up against it a few days ago telling Israel to do something about it

Exactly.