"But Israel gave them prime waterfront land!". A life in Gaza thread.

The IDF really don't care now do they? Whatever they want to do. Doesn't matter that the world is watching. No laws seem to apply. Take your zionist bullshit and peddle it elsewhere.

https://twitter.com/TorahJudaism/status/1719741630763159672?t=-IX72h_1uGgbrPDVqriTlA&s=19

I've already reported it.

Aye well we’ll wait on the verdict for that one.

While we wait here’s an article about the Palestinians relationship with /views on Hamas.

. https://www.foreignaffairs.com/israel/what-palestinians-really-think-hamas#:~:text=Most%20Gazans%20do%20not%20align,Israel%20existing%20side%20by%20side.

whatever. If you’re not happy with the thread move on. There are plenty of threads you can go to

If you’re not happy with the thread you can report it
however , you full well know that what it’s banned it’s to talk about what is happening in another thread. Op has carried one sentence from another thread and started an independent thread to talk about what gazans life was before 7-Oct. What’s wrong with that ? We’re not talking about other threads. And that afaik is not banned

itd be a shame to get rid of a thread full of info and with no fights like other threads, unless you’re trying to derail it to cause some problems in this one

Not goading at all are you?

Getting mighty fed up of people who think you’re goading them by expressing opinions they don’t agree with. I mean..do you think this thread came into being just to piss you off? That’s a bit self-focused isn’t it?

Yeah we have changed our U.K. written in via acts of Parliament Constitution many many times. Most of the time we existed, we had no Constitution. So the need for change doesn’t mean a call to erase existence.

The US has a tidy solution, they amend their Constitution. It’s up to 27 amendments so roughly one every 15yrs?

So to ask Israel to amend their constitution is hardly revolutionary

So what specific changes should Israel make to their constitution before you deem it acceptable for them to exist as a country? And are there any other countries you think should cease to exist because you don't like their political system of the actions of their current government?

TBF it wasn't so long ago that we were voting on whether the UK should exist in its current form.

So what specific changes should Israel make to their constitution before you deem it acceptable for them to exist as a country?

If (if!) they could get rid of Hamas then they could remove the blockade. Maybe they could withdraw from the territories they are occupying (West Bank). Just that sort of thing really.

Hamas are probably quite insidious though. I am not sure how you would establish they are defiantly gone

And are there any other countries you think should cease to exist because you don't like their political system of the actions of their current government?

No-one had said Israel should cease to exist.

So what specific changes should Israel make to their constitution before you deem it acceptable for them to exist as a country? And are there any other countries you think should cease to exist because you don't like their political system of the actions of their current government?

Hamas’ are not good guys. They are terrorists and Gazan civilians have lived under a coup. If anything thinks the election they “won” was done at all fairly they are quite naive.

The rule of terror is one reason why Palestinians need to be protected too, the view of the Israeli Defence Minister Lieberman that there are “no innocents” in Gaza is blinkered and causing the massacre of thousands of children and civilians.

Here is a link to the UN webpage that corroborates the UN reports listed in your article.
https://news.un.org/en/tags/hamas

A couple of articles about Palestinians experiences with work permits.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/01/its-like-another-planet-crossing-the-border-from-gaza-to-work-in-israel

https://www.ft.com/content/b246af87-1ab9-4e1c-8935-31f2a277626b

A very disturbing account in today's Private Eye of the brutality and torture that Hamas has inflicted on the people of Gaza for years. (See attached)

It concludes that Hamas has practised its brutality on the people of Gaza for years, and has now turned them into not only human shields but weapons, hoping to use their deaths to bring about the destruction of Israel.

It is upsetting but important to understand how people in Gaza have been living under Hamas.

"Israel's world beating intelligence systems failed entirely to get a sniff of October 7th?" Yup, blame the Jews for not defending themselves properly from this war crime

Well one might question why the didn’t see the attack coming if they really know enough about Hamas to say which base is under which hospital or which Hamas bigwig is hidden among a camp of of hundreds

"the Jews"? It really is getting very very obvious that accusations of antisemitism are being used to shut people up. Jewish people don't have the best intelligence systems in the world. Israel does. Jewish people aren't murdering babies. The Israeli state is. It would be utterly antisemitic to blame Jewish people for this. I hope as an atheist I'm not responsible for Stalin.

I'm not confused about who is at fault. Hamas aren't the Palestinians aren't the Muslim people as a whole. Netanyahu and the IDF aren't the Israeli people aren't Jewish people as a whole. Thank fuck for those facts. The vast majority of Muslim and Jewish people are empathetic, kind and not prone to baby-killing.

My point, which you neatly avoided by pretending I was being antisemitic, was that if Hamas are (according to what happened) so brilliant at covering their tracks, the chances that the strikes are targeted are zero.

*for not of

It is a war crime to kill innocent civilians.

BN is a fanatical despot. He doesn't give a shit about whether Hamas are hiding in tunnels, or under beds, or in someone's bloody wardrobe. He does not give a shit about the hostages either.

He wants the Palestinian people eradicated. This is his sole aim.

He is sending young israeli soldiers to their deaths - a large percentage of them who have never experienced combat duty. That's like me arming my DS with an uzi and saying off you go son - it's for the good cause FFS. I am definitely not pro-israel, but neither am I an advocate of mindless killing whoever is doing it.

Many Israelis are blaming Netanhayu for exactly that

The brilliant 24/7 surveillance of Hamas failed because the planning was done in person overseas and they kept strict radio silence when in Gaza and gave the false impression that they were knuckling down and governing Gaza

"Israel's world beating intelligence systems failed entirely to get a sniff of October 7th?" Yup, blame the Jews for not defending themselves properly from this war crime 🙄