"But Israel gave them prime waterfront land!". A life in Gaza thread.

@feralunderclass

You seem to know very little about Hamas and the situation beyond Tick Tock and social media videos and sound bites. Do you know what they do to gay people in Iran? Do you know the stance radical islam takes on homosexuality? You seem very ignorant.

”All the gay people in Palestine” - are you joking? This is a war between the Iran backed Hamas and the US backed Israel. It started because of the fear of what the Abraham Accords would bring.

Are you telling me a far right government is going to protect gays lives ? That’s a good joke !

@feralunderclass just another example of the whataboutery method, added in every pro IDF comment, robot style, designed to throw the thread off track and distract from the murdering.

We should probably ignore them but it's hard not to.

@Louloulouenna I am sure all the gay people and women in Palestine would prefer peace to their present imminent death. And I do not condone fascism, totalitarianism, homophobia or oppression of women.

However this isn't a simple war between "democracy and totalitarianism". It is the mass murdering of the Palestinian civilian population by Israeli govt, who have clearly admitted to wanting more of their land (as admitted already by Israli govt officials). If they wanted to save more civilians they would choose more careful methods to "get rid of Hamas". Indeed, if Hamas were under the ground in Tel Aviv, as someone pointed out, would they bomb the apartment blocks? No, because to them Israeli life means more than Palestinian life.

Defending war crimes is indefensible and makes you complicit.

And no I do not condone the atrocious actions of Hamas.

@gratedbluecheese1 sure, unless you’re gay or a woman or like democracy.

It is so good that the IDF is finally coming to help them out and by killing their children and injuring the rest of them.

i see… taking a page out of the diary from the Iraq war huh… WMDs to liberate the oppressed people.

i guess the subtle difference here is that these guys are the oppressors of the same people elsewhere but anyway let’s focus on the great job they are doing here.

It is my feeling that everyone defending the murderous actions of the Israeli govt will look back in a few years and see they were firmly on the wrong side of history.

Speaking of the UN, I see Iran has today become chair of the UN Human Rights Social Forum. Must be of great comfort to those brave women who are fighting for the right not to wear the hijab.

@starfleet You could probably do with not seeing that. How is it helping you or them for you to be flicking through gore porn from the safety of your nice house? It isn’t.

What would help them is if everyone could encourage greater tolerance and understanding worldwide. Screaming into the void on social media helps no one.

Only one hospital has a partial generator, distribution of medical oxygen has ceased, and mechanical ventilation is stopping. Bodies cannot be buried fast enough and the lack of refrigeration will result in disease. How can this still be happening? The UN Official Craig Mokhiber has resigned, saying Israel is committing a "textbook genocide".

I know right?
It baffles me that these people are literally locked in to a geographical area, water and power cut off, no aid getting in, hospitals bombed (by whoever) and all some people can say is “blame Hamas” or worse “oh so you don’t care about October 7 then?”.
Mind you I haven’t been accused of being antisemitic recently so there’s that I guess.

Top UN official in New York steps down citing ‘genocide’ of Palestinian civilians

Craig Mokhiber, director of human rights body, accuses the US, UK and much of Europe as ‘wholly complicit in the horrific assault’
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/31/un-official-resigns-israel-hamas-war-palestine-new-york

Thanks @Ratsoffasinkingsauage for your insight into my intolerances. It's appreciated. I should really take a break from SM. Maybe then I wouldn't see trashy things like bits of human bodies strewn around blown up refugee camps or similar atrocities.

As I said on my previous post. Take it how you will.

A brief history of Hamas.

https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/10/10/23911661/hamas-israel-war-gaza-palestine-explainer

The article isn’t wishy washy at all. The quotes from the ICC investigator are very strong actually I’m surprised.

Iran has called for a Block on trade from other Muslim countries. For various reasons this is unlikely to happen even if your so sure that Iran tells all the Muslims - in the whole world- what to do 🙄 - Israel has free trade’s agreements with much as the western world and the US is it’s primary trade partner.

it will certainly not mean that there won’t be enough food and won’t impact on fuel.

@starfleet

That is a lot of set dressing you have for your intolerances. Every thought of reading less trash in social media?

It's impossible with the current political leadership, I think. Hamas is set on the removal of Israel, and Netanyahu is set on the removal of any options for a Palestinian state. His Likud party's founding charter states 'between the sea and the river Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.' It's worth following the link to the charter from the guardian article, as it explains the party's decision to remain in control of the West Bank and the position on settlements.
‘From the river to the sea’: where does the slogan come from and what does it mean? | Israel-Hamas war | The Guardian

Isn’t it just so sad that so many Palestinian’s want a two state solution and so many Israeli’s want a two state solution and yet it’s never been further away.

It's heartbreaking @mollyfolk

No not really. It's quite alright to throw antisemitism around but God forbid anyone should have the audacity call out zionism. I didn't realise that condeming a genocide and those carrying one out had to be put into more polite terms. Take it how you will.

Isn’t it just so sad that so many Palestinian’s want a two state solution and so many Israeli’s want a two state solution and yet it’s never been further away.

It’s hard to see any positive outcome now.

Lovely to see all the rabid bigots identifying themselves by the use of the term ‘Zionist’ in a pejorative way to describe anyone who questions them.

Truly we live in bizarre times.

Of note from the article linked above (published earlier this year)

“By and large, Gazans do not share Hamas’s goal of eliminating the state of Israel. When presented with three possible solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (as well as an option to choose “other”), the majority of survey respondents (54 percent) favored the two-state solution outlined in the 1993 Oslo accords. In this scenario, the state of Palestine would sit alongside the state of Israel, their borders based on the de facto boundary that existed before the 1967 Six-Day War. The level of support for this resolution has not changed much since 2021; in that survey, 58 percent of respondents in Gaza selected the two-state solution.”