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Scared to be Jewish

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WibbleWobbleFlop · 29/10/2023 14:02

I am not pro-IDF or pro-Hamas, in fact I am very strongly against both. Netanyahu's government is an ultra-right wing aggressive shitshow and Hamas is an "elected" group of cowardly murdering terrorists. I am horrified for all Israeli and Palestinian civilians. I can't even begin to imagine how those poor innocent people of Gaza are carrying on, nor how the hostages and families are coping. I want nothing more than Israelis and Palestinians to live in peace side by side in a democratic two-state solution.

I am a secular Jew. I live in the UK. I am supposedly safe, as are my children.

But I don't feel like we will be safe much longer. Hamas wants the annihilation of all Jews, not just the destruction of the state of Israel. It's not about freeing Palestine to them. It is about eliminated an entire ethnicity. My ethnicity.

When Jews were targeted in the Holocaust, it didn't matter if they were religious, Orthodox, or secular. It didn't matter if they were in Poland or Germany or Russia. Jewish blood meant "evil".

Jewish ancestry is traceable. If Hamas gains further popularity in the Middle East (incredibly likely, given their links to Iran and Qatar), there is a real danger for literally every Jew in the world. I am seeing more and more Europeans and Americans leaning so far to the Palestinian side that they want Israel to stop being an accepted state. This gives so much more power to Hamas because any aid sent to Palestine is being spent on weapons and rockets being used against the Jews.

I'm sure I will be told I am overreacting. But I am scared. And I think I have every right to be.

OP posts:
SomeCatFromJapan · 29/10/2023 22:02

So not only was the incident in Dagestan terrifying, but our fellow UK residents are enthusiastically endorsing it. And not just any residents - a journalist, someone with actualy influence.

https://twitter.com/DillyHussain88/status/1718709935179980828

https://twitter.com/DillyHussain88/status/1718709935179980828

lostonmars · 29/10/2023 22:01

daytriptovulcan · 29/10/2023 14:45

If people wanted to stay in their homes, where they have been for generations, and if they wanted to resist being enthnic cleansed out of it and over to border, why would you find that somehow unreasonable? You expect the Palestinians to put up with it, when for example the English never would tolerate it.

Here we go. 🙄

None of that has anything to do with what OP actually said.

Echobelly · 29/10/2023 22:00

@FinallyFinalGirl - you could say the same of Orthodox Judaism but evidently that only matters to you when smearing Muslims as a whole.

@Roastedmeat - I do believe you meant well, this is why I prefer to try to educate people than cast aspertions unless I have reasons to believe they are acting in bad faith.

Parkingt111 · 29/10/2023 22:00

@WibbleWobbleFlop ok iv just read the last few posts and I'm sorry if people are giving you a hard time for something that has nothing to do with you
You seem like a lovely person

notsoready4school · 29/10/2023 21:59

Teddleshon · 29/10/2023 21:49

@notsoready4school what is Israel supposed to do - sit back and wait for Hamas to kill more Jews?

They should ask rational advisers who are not taking action based on political and revenge motivating them (talking about something beginning with N..) and try and get Hamas using the intelligence and resources of their American friends to help them. The experience of their American friends here would also have helped them hugely if they weren’t acting out of political motives. A long war means a long time for the existing political person to stay in power.

they should also use the options available to them to at least try to get the hostages out alive. The fact they are hostages Hamas full well expected to use them and any rational non power hungry, politically motivated government would have at least tried to save them rather than bomb them as well.

At first it was anger and revenge that guided them but then it has clearly become self preservation (political) and ego. No thought for their hostages at all. Nor any clear plan of what comes next (except staying in power as the war is supposed to be long)

WibbleWobbleFlop · 29/10/2023 21:59

@MumsDailyNap I am expressing the fact that I am worried my children will not continue to be safe due to their ethnicity, and you imply that I am comparing my fears to those of Palestinians being bombed? At no point have I said that my fears are equal. At no point have I forgotten those poor civilians living in horror.

I think you should take a hard look at how you have judged me and why you did.

OP posts:
etmoietmoietmoi · 29/10/2023 21:57

FinallyFinalGirl · 29/10/2023 21:45

I'm married to a Muslim man and it takes a lot of trust to tell people that as people have so many judgements about Muslim people.

So....they don't see women as second class citizens? How do you explain that, then?

Gross.

AgingDisgracefullyHere · 29/10/2023 21:56

LovePaleGreen · 29/10/2023 21:51

Not exactly a minority then

Well yes, they are. 25% globally. 6.5% of England and Wales.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with how they may individually feel about the status of women and sweet fuck all to do with Jews.

Radyward · 29/10/2023 21:55

Israel stops bombing gaza and all of a sudden the issues you are experiencing OP will for the most part go away. Its their daily atrocities egged on basically by the west thats the root cause of your fears. Its terrible. Its netanyahu not the supposed anti semites on here.
Its barbaric the continued onslaught which is breeding little hammas every minute this continues.id bet that poor child who lost all his family would die to revenge that. What planet is netanyahu on? What planet is ursula von der leyen on ?? Fgs she is risking all our security ! Its madness

Parkingt111 · 29/10/2023 21:54

@WibbleWobbleFlop I haven't read the full thread but I am very sorry to hear that you feel unsafe.
There are many who simply cannot distinguish between the Israeli government and its citizens let alone other Jewish people around the world.
I pray for a better world where all people can feel safe
I pray for a better world for all of our children

LovePaleGreen · 29/10/2023 21:51

AgingDisgracefullyHere · 29/10/2023 21:48

Good Lord, what is wrong with you?

"They" are 1.8 billion people with a wide range of opinions on all sorts of things.

Not exactly a minority then

Roastedmeat · 29/10/2023 21:50

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Teddleshon · 29/10/2023 21:49

@notsoready4school what is Israel supposed to do - sit back and wait for Hamas to kill more Jews?

AgingDisgracefullyHere · 29/10/2023 21:48

FinallyFinalGirl · 29/10/2023 21:45

I'm married to a Muslim man and it takes a lot of trust to tell people that as people have so many judgements about Muslim people.

So....they don't see women as second class citizens? How do you explain that, then?

Good Lord, what is wrong with you?

"They" are 1.8 billion people with a wide range of opinions on all sorts of things.

FinallyFinalGirl · 29/10/2023 21:45

I'm married to a Muslim man and it takes a lot of trust to tell people that as people have so many judgements about Muslim people.

So....they don't see women as second class citizens? How do you explain that, then?

Maireas · 29/10/2023 21:42

Someone on the other thread posted the shocking news of the mob at Dagestan airport.

Terrifying.

notsoready4school · 29/10/2023 21:39

WibbleWobbleFlop · 29/10/2023 14:02

I am not pro-IDF or pro-Hamas, in fact I am very strongly against both. Netanyahu's government is an ultra-right wing aggressive shitshow and Hamas is an "elected" group of cowardly murdering terrorists. I am horrified for all Israeli and Palestinian civilians. I can't even begin to imagine how those poor innocent people of Gaza are carrying on, nor how the hostages and families are coping. I want nothing more than Israelis and Palestinians to live in peace side by side in a democratic two-state solution.

I am a secular Jew. I live in the UK. I am supposedly safe, as are my children.

But I don't feel like we will be safe much longer. Hamas wants the annihilation of all Jews, not just the destruction of the state of Israel. It's not about freeing Palestine to them. It is about eliminated an entire ethnicity. My ethnicity.

When Jews were targeted in the Holocaust, it didn't matter if they were religious, Orthodox, or secular. It didn't matter if they were in Poland or Germany or Russia. Jewish blood meant "evil".

Jewish ancestry is traceable. If Hamas gains further popularity in the Middle East (incredibly likely, given their links to Iran and Qatar), there is a real danger for literally every Jew in the world. I am seeing more and more Europeans and Americans leaning so far to the Palestinian side that they want Israel to stop being an accepted state. This gives so much more power to Hamas because any aid sent to Palestine is being spent on weapons and rockets being used against the Jews.

I'm sure I will be told I am overreacting. But I am scared. And I think I have every right to be.

You should not be afraid of Hamas. Israel will get them even if they have to kill every child in Gaza.

unfortunately the actions of Israel have however made the world a lot more dangerous in the west as it will increase the likelihood of terrorist attacks by other terrorist organisations (not named Hamas)

it is scary how despite knowing this having experienced this the west is facilitating this outcome and not speaking up for these people who will suffer, see their family starve, be nombre etc be traumatised, have no jobs, homes or family and nothing to lose and then be radicalised. It will only take a few/few relatives of them who remain to get groomed into the next generation of angry terrorists.

All of us living in the west countries which have supported Israel through this terrible outcome will likely be targets.

AgingDisgracefullyHere · 29/10/2023 21:32

MumsDailyNap · 29/10/2023 19:25

Just to say I'm not mocking or trolling OP my point was innocent children are being killed.... we are all privileged to be living, breathing and not living in fear without bombs being dropped on us!

You sound like the sort of person who says "but ALL lives matter" when someone says that Black lives matter.

etmoietmoietmoi · 29/10/2023 21:30

@JSMill I can understand you feeling like that and having to be sure you can trust people first. It's also like trying to avoid a fight or flight scenario. I've been in situations where I've told my DH (who's Irish Catholic) to categorically not mention I'm Jewish just to avoid any potential drama. He totally gets it, but it's exhausting.

HardcoreLadyType · 29/10/2023 21:26

Solidarity with you, and all Jews.

NotReadyForAutumnYet · 29/10/2023 21:21

There were kidnap posters out in the morning - gone in the afternoon. I wondered who on earth had that much hatred to take them down? Did I know the person/people who had?

soddingspiderseason · 29/10/2023 21:18

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"The Jewish lobby is super powerful and influential". Yet another antisemitic trope.

JSMill · 29/10/2023 21:15

Cropcycle · 29/10/2023 21:06

JSMill I can understand that. The Islamophobia in the UK is vile.

Thank you for your understanding

Teddleshon · 29/10/2023 21:13

Yes funny sort of “privilege” when Israel has so many enemies who are dedicated to its elimination and the murder of all Jews along with having faced incessant attacks from its nearest neighbour. No other country faces this.

LovePaleGreen · 29/10/2023 21:10

These threads and forums are full of badly designed🤖🤖🤖

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/ami_being_unreasonable/4744311-what-is-a-bot

It's tiring 😴

And vile 😉

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