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Scared to be Jewish

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WibbleWobbleFlop · 29/10/2023 14:02

I am not pro-IDF or pro-Hamas, in fact I am very strongly against both. Netanyahu's government is an ultra-right wing aggressive shitshow and Hamas is an "elected" group of cowardly murdering terrorists. I am horrified for all Israeli and Palestinian civilians. I can't even begin to imagine how those poor innocent people of Gaza are carrying on, nor how the hostages and families are coping. I want nothing more than Israelis and Palestinians to live in peace side by side in a democratic two-state solution.

I am a secular Jew. I live in the UK. I am supposedly safe, as are my children.

But I don't feel like we will be safe much longer. Hamas wants the annihilation of all Jews, not just the destruction of the state of Israel. It's not about freeing Palestine to them. It is about eliminated an entire ethnicity. My ethnicity.

When Jews were targeted in the Holocaust, it didn't matter if they were religious, Orthodox, or secular. It didn't matter if they were in Poland or Germany or Russia. Jewish blood meant "evil".

Jewish ancestry is traceable. If Hamas gains further popularity in the Middle East (incredibly likely, given their links to Iran and Qatar), there is a real danger for literally every Jew in the world. I am seeing more and more Europeans and Americans leaning so far to the Palestinian side that they want Israel to stop being an accepted state. This gives so much more power to Hamas because any aid sent to Palestine is being spent on weapons and rockets being used against the Jews.

I'm sure I will be told I am overreacting. But I am scared. And I think I have every right to be.

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Akatsiy · 30/10/2023 12:46

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Louloulouenna · 30/10/2023 12:43

You may sneer at the description but prime waterfront land was exactly what it was. One of the best things they did after blowing up the water treatment system was to use the pipes to fashion rockets to fire rockets at Israel.

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Rabidly racist bullshit!

Sausagenbacon · 30/10/2023 12:37

True though

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HeidiInTheBigCity · 30/10/2023 12:36

Kendodd · 30/10/2023 12:12

Russian people in the UK did receive hate after Putin invaded Ukraine, I saw some of it myself . Why do you think they didn't?

I sent my only Russian-born employee home from the office to WFH / take some time off to hopefully recover because the treatment he was facing was shocking! Later, I was quite appalled to find only a single one of my colleagues in a management position was willing to phone him and check up on how he was doing. And, yes, I may have threatened a few people with disciplinary action over their behaviour!

The firm cracked down on this sort of thing later - but the first two weeks or so were actually horrific to watch!

I am not even remotely pro-Russian - I was as appalled as everyone else. But I do know that people are not their government.

But, long story short: yes, Russians were facing quite shocking behaviour, including by some people I know (and, frankly, think less of nowadays!).

What they did not have - just to put this into perspective - is a long "tradition" (if one can call it that) of "Anti-Russianism" and intergenerational trauma. In that sense, this is different. Still disgusting, though!

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feralunderclass · 30/10/2023 12:29

Louloulouenna · 30/10/2023 09:44

@Echobelly They were given the Gaza Strip, yes it’s tiny but prime waterfront land. Hamas have continually rejected the two state solution.

I absolutely love this estate agent speak. "Prime waterfront land," they should be so grateful!

Trulywonderful · 30/10/2023 12:28

Kendodd · 30/10/2023 12:12

Russian people in the UK did receive hate after Putin invaded Ukraine, I saw some of it myself . Why do you think they didn't?

Russia people getting abuse and feeling threatened was very much reported yes.

In secondary schools like my work place we had to watch out for incidents of hate or harassment.

It isn't only Jews that the government or organisations that deal with hate crimes ask schools to monitor hate issues, provide support and interventions

Akatsiya · 30/10/2023 12:28

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feralunderclass · 30/10/2023 12:26

petuniasandpetals · 30/10/2023 10:08

@Ginlette
Thank you for your support for the State of Israel and Jewish/Western values.
I'm hoping that some of the people marching with Pro Palestinian flags understand what their hatred means.
I too support a two state solution.

Please inform me what my "pro Palestinian" (I think you just mean Palestinian?) flag means.

Teddleshon · 30/10/2023 12:26

There may have been isolated incidences of hate towards Russians but nothing like the anti semitism of the past few weeks.

And of course Russia launched an aggressive land grab military invasion. Israel is responding to the worst attack on its people since the Holocaust against an enemy who have made it clear they won’t rest until Israel and all its population are exterminated.

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Kendodd · 30/10/2023 12:12

TheaBrandt · 30/10/2023 08:09

Agree with every word Ginlette. Many dear friends are Jewish feel for them. It’s not their fault. Sickening to compare that Russian people living here rightly are not threatened yet Jewish people are? Think on that.

Russian people in the UK did receive hate after Putin invaded Ukraine, I saw some of it myself . Why do you think they didn't?

Trulywonderful · 30/10/2023 12:07

25milesfromhome · 30/10/2023 12:05

Still totally failing to grasp the enormity and complexity of Hamas’s operation in Gaza? It’s not the Death Star.

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SomeCatFromJapan · 30/10/2023 12:05

So gazans lives are expendable but israeli military are not in this war on Hammas.

Realistically any nation is going to prioritise the lives of its own citizens.

25milesfromhome · 30/10/2023 12:05

feralunderclass · 30/10/2023 07:29

They should have stormed the Hamas HQ and taken them down. There have been zero attempts of this so far, Israel seem to much prefer killing civilians.

Still totally failing to grasp the enormity and complexity of Hamas’s operation in Gaza? It’s not the Death Star.

Trulywonderful · 30/10/2023 12:02

Sorry guys why you having a conversation on a thread about a Jewish person feeling scared. If someone has come to derail the thread and act like a unfeeling arse then can they not just pop themselves back on another thread. Not the boss here but nobody can actually discuss anything if all the threads get derailed by attention seeking fuckwits with no empathy etc

Radyward · 30/10/2023 11:53

SharonEllis · 30/10/2023 11:36

Lots of articles about the tunnels have been posted, I'm not going over & over it again. Do some reading about military strategy & how Hamas operates. I think you're wilfully missing the point and feigning ignorance now. I mean, you honestly can't imagine how Israeli soldiers might be at a disadvantage going into Hamas's armed tunnels?

So gazans lives are expendable but israeli military are not in this war on Hammas.
Netanyahu is leader of a jewish nation the only one on earth and Is acting like a complete lunatic in israels name - of course people recoil at that behaviour and are unhappy with Israel - does that make them anti - semite. The silencing of everyone who dare speak up is bullyish and does israel zero favours. I mean wtf- bella / gigi hadid getting death threats from the IDF . I am disgusted at the Eu , biden and sunak over the ok ing of slaughtering 1000,s of women children , starving them.leaving no medical aid. No food. Bombing bakeries. Fgs where is the sanity in that!!!

SharonEllis · 30/10/2023 11:36

feralunderclass · 30/10/2023 08:38

So why don't Israel, with the most technologically advanced army in the world storm the tunnels? So what if they are booby trapped, this is an army. If they want to take Hamas down they need to expect some military deaths too. That's the way war works.
And how are Hamas forcing people to stay? People who left were killed along the way, some can't leave because they literally can't move, and others don't want to leave because the UN are saying its untenable. 14,000 people alone are sheltering in AlQuds hospital.
Hamas are being portrayed as some sort of omnipresent being - they live in tunnels, in people's houses, hospitals, babies incubators, in their minds... a bit of a pattern here I think. But strangely despite 8k deaths, Hamas "can't be reached?".

Lots of articles about the tunnels have been posted, I'm not going over & over it again. Do some reading about military strategy & how Hamas operates. I think you're wilfully missing the point and feigning ignorance now. I mean, you honestly can't imagine how Israeli soldiers might be at a disadvantage going into Hamas's armed tunnels?

LovePaleGreen · 30/10/2023 11:31

They do obviously utilise dead baby iconography on their protest marches in various creative ways.

LovePaleGreen · 30/10/2023 11:30

I'm not sure I understand why Free Palestine posts are constantly mentioning Gazan children dying as if Gazan women, men, the elderly didn't count. It's not very nice as if some deaths are worse than others, it's ageist and unkind. It would be interesting to run a word count across all the posts on this topic to see how many times dead children and babies have been mentioned in Free Palestine posts.

Louloulouenna · 30/10/2023 11:28

Yes, so horrific that Hamas have done their best to persuade civilians to stay despite being warned by Israel to evacuate.

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