Scared to be Jewish

@LovePaleGreen thanks for that. Very interesting.

I was taken with an interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali last week in which she described her childhood in Somalia where she was brought up to viscerally hate Jews. When she eventually saw her first Jew in the Netherlands she was amazed to see they just looked like an ordinary person, not the hideous monster she had been inculcated to believe they were. Extraordinary to raise children with such hatred.

Children murdered
Bingo!

Please don't say that, or make light of the killing of children, wherever those children are or whatever race they might me. It's just horrible.

The entire population? Really?

Quite. I am not undermining the devastation of the losses, one is too many, but realistically the numbers, sad as they are, are a very long way away from the over two million that is the Gazan population.
The IDF could also have caused far higher civilian casualties had that been the genuine intention, as so many posters here insist.

Is because we are watching entire population being erased and children murdered precisely

Children murdered
Bingo!

We are watching entire population being erased
The entire population? Really?

@Seereality you talk about both sides but only seem to be condemning Israel. Israel's response has to be seen in the context of the attacks of October 7 combined with Hamas's charter which demands the eradication of the State of Israel and the murder of all Jews worldwide.

@SeeReality
What are you doing here? This is what you said on a Palestine support thread the other day, in response to somebody who was doing what you are doing now:
Back off with the intrusive questions and show some respect for the people we love. They are our children. Back off from our private mourning space. This is not yours. Do you get it ? Not everything is yours to enter. Stop intruding on what is not yours. Back off from my psychological private space. Not yours. Do you understand people's private space integrity?
Constant intrusion is harassment.
We are saying no. Do you understand the word No? Back off from our private psychological space

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Gabor Mate? The one who took just a few too many 🍄?

You'll be better off watching this

Both sons of the Hamas founder have denounced Hamas. Hear what they have to say.

Mate is a nut.

I'm not also looking into historic islamaphobia etc either. I'm just saying that it's the norm (not a nice norm or a 'right' norm) that instances of abuse go up right after things like war/terror, where individuals who have no ideological link, but are tangentially linked (ie by religion, nationality, race) are unfairly blamed. It doesn't make it right.

It is slightly different due to nearly 2000 years of European history of massacring, annihilating, persecuting, villifying, exiling, imprisoning and murdering its Jewish population.

I'm also married to a non-Jew but up until now, my children have always been openly proud to be Jewish. Not any more. I wore a Magen David necklace to a friend's mum's funeral last week. Only took it out from inside my dress at the actual service. Not a chance I'd wear it outside now.

It's awful when blame/hate is aimed at a group because of (often involuntary) association with a group doing awful things. It's not confined to this conflict, but that doesn't make it better or ok.

Muslims got it after 9/11, London bombings etc
Catholics got it during The Troubles
Germans abroad didn't exactly have a good time during WW2.

I think it's a combination of lack of trust, discrimination based on race/religion, and world events triggering situations where bigots feel more confident to act.

It doesn't make it right. It's wrong when a random Jewish person is blamed for Israel's actions. It's equally wrong when a random Muslim person is blamed for the actions of a country or group.

These threads are so boring. Full of unhinged posts screeching 'what about dead babies' 'what about islamophobia', many, many bot posts and a handful of sensible ones.

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Sorry your thread has gone that way.

I sincerely think the media hasn't helped in its reporting. For every person who has taken time to find out about the situation, and who has the sense to know this is by far greater than who did what in the last week or so, there's people who don't know much about the topic who have huge amounts of propaganda (from both sides) thrown at them.

My personal view is that if the IDF and Netanyahu continue this line of attack then not only is it appalling for civilians in Gaza, it's likely to breed the next generation of terrorists who will hate Israel and it's also likely to trigger increased antisemitism around the globe.

I'm also starting to become a little suspicious of how often people use cries of antisemitism to shut down criticism of the Israeli government. Most Jewish posters on Mumsnet (those who've said they are Jewish) have tended to be very clear that criticism of Israel is not antisemitic, but there's still posts that try to shut the discussion down. When it first started I thought it was ignorance and ideological blindness, but now I'm starting to find myself wondering whether this is deliberately done to stir up the sentiment of "see, see, you can't say anything against the Jews... (Whispers something about Jewish people controlling everything)".

Turns out this happens in all places that implement apartheid. I hear Nelson Mandela was a terorrist and Gandhi an enemy of the state. Weird, right?

Nelson Mandela was fighting for equality for all South Africans, not for the right to cleanse wipe out an ethnic group. So it's quite an offensive comparison.

That's to @Akatsiy

Hamas won in a landslide in their last election. Since Israel has done out of its way to try and delegitimise the functioning of Gaza and its people railing against the system, they chose extreme measures.

Given Hamas' charter, are you surprised?

That's true. If Hamas would care about gazans they would not use pipelines to make rockets.
Hamas are not freedom fighters, they are terrorist. They not just terrorise Israel, they also treat badly/hurt anyone who thinks differently to them in Gaza. The hamas founder's son talk about this in his interviews.

Why West are so pro hamas I would not understand it. To be pro Palestinian yes but to be pro hamas and minimise the horrible attack inflected to jew people in Israel is disgusting.

The Gaza Strip is their own space which shares a border with Egypt. Why is that a prison any more than say Monaco or Lichtenstein is a prison? Unless of course they devote all their energies to annihilating their neighbour rather than focusing on building a better life for their own population.