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Conflict in the Middle East

Scared to be Jewish

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WibbleWobbleFlop · 29/10/2023 14:02

I am not pro-IDF or pro-Hamas, in fact I am very strongly against both. Netanyahu's government is an ultra-right wing aggressive shitshow and Hamas is an "elected" group of cowardly murdering terrorists. I am horrified for all Israeli and Palestinian civilians. I can't even begin to imagine how those poor innocent people of Gaza are carrying on, nor how the hostages and families are coping. I want nothing more than Israelis and Palestinians to live in peace side by side in a democratic two-state solution.

I am a secular Jew. I live in the UK. I am supposedly safe, as are my children.

But I don't feel like we will be safe much longer. Hamas wants the annihilation of all Jews, not just the destruction of the state of Israel. It's not about freeing Palestine to them. It is about eliminated an entire ethnicity. My ethnicity.

When Jews were targeted in the Holocaust, it didn't matter if they were religious, Orthodox, or secular. It didn't matter if they were in Poland or Germany or Russia. Jewish blood meant "evil".

Jewish ancestry is traceable. If Hamas gains further popularity in the Middle East (incredibly likely, given their links to Iran and Qatar), there is a real danger for literally every Jew in the world. I am seeing more and more Europeans and Americans leaning so far to the Palestinian side that they want Israel to stop being an accepted state. This gives so much more power to Hamas because any aid sent to Palestine is being spent on weapons and rockets being used against the Jews.

I'm sure I will be told I am overreacting. But I am scared. And I think I have every right to be.

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LovePaleGreen · 29/10/2023 21:07

Meadowdog · 29/10/2023 19:49

Hamas will never surrender. They don't care about their own people. They only care about killing all Jews. What Israel is doing now is exactly what they want - and they want it escalate even further to an all-out holy war.

I think it's great Israel are turning Hamas underground tunnels into rubble. Who wouldn't do the same 🤔

Cropcycle · 29/10/2023 21:06

JSMill I can understand that. The Islamophobia in the UK is vile.

LovePaleGreen · 29/10/2023 21:04

MumsDailyNap · 29/10/2023 18:27

@LovePaleGreen how is it vile? I just said children are being killed in their thousands?

What did I say that was vile?

Well, MN agreed your post broke decent posting etiquette.

LovePaleGreen · 29/10/2023 21:01

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Not very thinly veiled bigoted dig. 👌

JSMill · 29/10/2023 20:59

Purpleavocado · 29/10/2023 14:08

I hardly ever mention that I'm Jewish to people. I married a non Jew and have a 'normal' surname, and I'm not religious. And I hate that I feel that I have to do this! I'm proud of my heritage and this makes me feel sad and a little scared.

I'm married to a Muslim man and it takes a lot of trust to tell people that as people have so many judgements about Muslim people.

ticketstickets · 29/10/2023 20:54

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ouch

Echobelly · 29/10/2023 20:52

@Roastedmeat - I can see you're be supportive, but be aware talking about the 'Jewish lobby' tends to be used in an antisemitic kind of way, and especially saying they're 'super powerful and influential' is also a bit of an AS trope. Yes, it is good for us that the community has a strong voice that, most importantly, institutions of power in this country respect, but one needs to take care discussing it's own 'power and influence' because that could get read the wrong way. Also not all Jews agree with Jewish leading voices because, hey, we're Jews and we're like that.

JayAlfredPrufrock · 29/10/2023 20:44

@ssd wad blaming Netanyahu for the Israeli deaths on another thread.

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MumsDailyNap · 29/10/2023 20:34

@Alohapotato there will always be someone in a worse positions. Again I wasn't trolling OP, my point was there are innocent children being murdered surely that should be the top of our priorities to stop this happening.

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MumsDailyNap · 29/10/2023 20:29

@etmoietmoietmoi so it's ok for u to swear at me first and then u call me unpleasant.

ssd · 29/10/2023 20:24

I'm sorry you feel scared op. I'm sorry for everyone who feels scared because of this conflict, especially the people caught up in it, i can't imagine their fear. Its horrendous.
I didn't think we'd see this fear amongst jews again, its horrendous this is happening. My dad was in ww2 and sometimes spoke of it. Dhs dad was in it too and was amongst the first British soldiers to liberate Belsen...it never ever left him. The thought that people would feel fear again just for being themselves terrifies me. We don't seem to learn from history.

tooscaredandtired · 29/10/2023 20:21

I'm terrified. I'm scared to send my son to school. I don't know where this ends. So much blatant open anti semitism and so many people who deny everything that is happening. It's all so one sided. I have never felt so scared in my life being Jewish in the UK right now.

Alohapotato · 29/10/2023 20:14

MumsDailyNap · 29/10/2023 19:01

@AgingDisgracefullyHere @etmoietmoietmoi at this moment yes very privileged! I bet she has a roof over her head without the fear of it being bombed. Maybe she has children who she tucks into bed at night without the fear of them being killed. She has running water, electricity access to medical care, food, WiFi! The Palestinians do not have this!!

Just to mention I'm not pro-hamas nor am I Muslim, I can't sit here and watch innocent children being murdered by the IDF

are you 15 years old? There have been wars in other countries and that does not mean one can not suffer racism in their own country.
OP's feelings are valid. If you think she has privilege because she has not being bombarded what about you? You are writing from your home meanwhile ukranian children are being bombarded same as gazans.
what about all the homeless people in UK? are your feelings not valid because you have a home and they don't? what about all the children in the world in critical care? are your feelings not valid because there are children with illness? There will be always people in worst situations than us, that does not make our feelings and experiences less valid.

OP's did not start the war israel-Gaza, stop blaiming her

Kendodd · 29/10/2023 20:13

To get back to the OP's point about being scared, as I said, I have similar heritage and haven't felt in the slightest bit scared until reading threads such as this. I even thought about going on one of the pro palestinian (or stop the bombing as I read it) marches but they were too far away. Maybe Im being completely naive though about hatered towards us though. Anyway, I don't know how to help you feel less scared, or even if you should be less scared, maybe I should be more scared. My jewish family left eastern Europe in about the 1920s, the family members who stayed (maybe they weren't scared as they should have been) anyway, that branch vanished, no records of them can be found.

I know in the past my children have boasted about their Jewish ancestry with their friends so plenty of people will know. We don't even really consider ourselves properly Jewish, it's just our ancestry.

Fallenangelofthenorth · 29/10/2023 20:09

I don't think you're over reacting at all sadly. I'm not Jewish but I've been shocked at the level of antisemitism I've seen in the last few weeks both online and in real life. I feel so sorry for you. I don't know what I can do other than attend the vigils and stand up to racism as I come across it.

howrudeforme · 29/10/2023 20:07

I feel for the Jewish community here.I have an old pal who is Jewish and secular. No interest in Israel and I know she’s scared.

I lived for years in NW11. When people asked me where I lived they assumed I’m Jewish and although rare, I do remember weird hostility to me. Enough for me to remember.

I’m quite sensitive to anti-semitism. I worry for the UK Jewish community.

There’s always been antisemitism here but subtle and I can’t quite put my finger on it. Now it’s outright hostility.

etmoietmoietmoi · 29/10/2023 20:02

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Lindos1 · 29/10/2023 19:57

OP, I fully understand why you are scared. It seems like a completely logical feeling to have at the moment.
I'm so sorry...

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Echobelly · 29/10/2023 19:53

Thanks for sharing those stats @Namechangeagain2023 - as I had expected, unpleasant as they are the vast, vast majority of it is 'verbal abuse, graffiti on non-Jewish property, hate mail and online abuse' ('direct threats' was separate, but also a relatively low numbers) and you can bet the majority of it is in terms of 'online abuse'. Of course, that is no walk in the park and horrible to experience and I know I would be shaken up if it happened to me like the time I was on the receiving end of antisemitism online. But we need to remember most of that is all mouth and no trousers - and also this is not at all like Nazi Germany, because the government and media are all being incredibly supportive of the Jewish community nor is there any sign that that state of affairs will change.

Again, I don't say this to minimise, but to reassure - it can feel very frightening and I understand that, but I worry for people being so anxious that it might affect quality of life.

Hippyhippybake · 29/10/2023 19:51

I fear you are right @Meadowdog , they have certainly proven they don’t care about the Palestinian people.

Meadowdog · 29/10/2023 19:49

Hamas will never surrender. They don't care about their own people. They only care about killing all Jews. What Israel is doing now is exactly what they want - and they want it escalate even further to an all-out holy war.

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