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The double standards of free speech on Palestine amid Israel’s war on Gaza

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Ohlalalalala · 28/10/2023 23:12

On UpFront, Marc Lamont Hill speaks to Dima Khalidi, director of Palestine Legal, and Ilan Pappe, renowned author and professor of history at Exeter University, about the limits to free speech on the Israel-Gaza war.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/program/upfront/2023/10/27/the-double-standards-of-free-speech-on-palestine

As the war in Gaza continues, why is the West cracking down on free speech?
A battle is playing out in the realm of public opinion on Israel’s war on Gaza.

While demonstrations have taken place across the globe in solidarity with Palestinians, there have been campaigns to silence critics of Israel’s actions.

Commentators, academics and even common citizens have reported increasing threats and retaliation for expressing their views or voicing solidarity with the Palestinian people, often in countries that proclaim to uphold values of freedom of expression and democracy.

The double standards of free speech on Palestine

As the war in Gaza continues, why is the West cracking down on free speech?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/program/upfront/2023/10/27/the-double-standards-of-free-speech-on-palestine

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JaneJeffer · 29/10/2023 02:25

You only have to look at the thread police on here to know that there is no freedom of speech

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 29/10/2023 02:00

Many claim democracy but your free speech only exists as long as you agree with them.

Very well summarised. Look at the arrests and detainments of the people at the coronation peacefully holding 'Not My King' placards, to democratically state their opinion of the new unelected leader.

trambolise · 29/10/2023 01:16

Many claim democracy but your free speech only exists as long as you agree with them.

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 29/10/2023 00:50

There are 'right' countries and 'wrong' countries (or territories) and there's an assumed binary that the former kind can do no wrong at all. Possibly, they can do 'what they believed to be right at the time' and later 'lessons can be learned', but they never deliberately do anything wrong whatsoever. We can know when a country fits into the 'right' category, as that country will tell us.

There's one country I can think of (they claim to be a democracy, but nobody has ever been allowed to vote for the ultimate head - I won't name the country in case anybody accuses me of being anti-British) where they used what they later admitted to be known lies to justify militarily attacking a far less wealthy and much less developed country and killing thousands of their innocent civilians. Their friends in another very rich 'simply cannot possibly ever be the baddies' country was right behind them in this.

Of course, being a democracy, when it came to light what humanitarian atrocities this lying leader had been directly and deliberately responsible for, they... gave him a knighthood.

TutuDesi · 29/10/2023 00:38

The first causality of war is truth and never has that been more true.
That is absolutely true. The truth gets buried in a shit storm of lies.

notsoready4school · 29/10/2023 00:18

MrsTerryPratchett · 28/10/2023 23:59

Or as my professor used to say, "a terrorist is someone you disagree with fighting in a country you've heard of. A freedom fighter is someone you agree with fighting in a country you've heard of. A guerrilla is someone fighting for a cause you don't understand in a place you can't find on a map".

The first causality of war is truth and never has that been more true. Everyone is lying in this conflict, all the time. But making it so that we can't even hear or see one point of view is deeply disturbing. The censorship with the communication blackout is extremely worrying.

The communication blackout is scary on two fronts. Firstly of course no one knowing what’s going on means Israel can get away with anything. But secondly I’m just scared the world will move on to the next news story and forget the horror that is still happening in Gaza

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MrsTerryPratchett · 28/10/2023 23:59

Ohlalalalala · 28/10/2023 23:44

@MrsTerryPratchett @NotSuchASmugMarried the dubbing is just ludicrous! Didn't know about that; thanks for sharing.

Thanks @MrsTerryPratchett your analysis is spot on. "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter".

Or as my professor used to say, "a terrorist is someone you disagree with fighting in a country you've heard of. A freedom fighter is someone you agree with fighting in a country you've heard of. A guerrilla is someone fighting for a cause you don't understand in a place you can't find on a map".

The first causality of war is truth and never has that been more true. Everyone is lying in this conflict, all the time. But making it so that we can't even hear or see one point of view is deeply disturbing. The censorship with the communication blackout is extremely worrying.

Ohlalalalala · 28/10/2023 23:44

@MrsTerryPratchett @NotSuchASmugMarried the dubbing is just ludicrous! Didn't know about that; thanks for sharing.

Thanks @MrsTerryPratchett your analysis is spot on. "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter".

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Huwipulotu · 28/10/2023 23:41

because you're only allowed free speech if you don't threaten those who have free speech.

NotSuchASmugMarried · 28/10/2023 23:31

I remember the ridiculous dubbing of the Sinn Fein leaders.

The media weren't allowed to broadcast what Sinn Fein were saying so they broadcast them saying it, with an actor saying the words instead. It was ludicrous.

MrsTerryPratchett · 28/10/2023 23:28

Anyone remember the ridiculous dubbing of Sinn Fein leaders? I think there's an element of:

Righteous cause but no resources. Fighting a larger, stronger enemy. Can't fight traditionally, don't have access to democratic processes to help. You end up with a terrorist/freedom fighter/guerrilla arm. Once you have that, any time anyone mentions the righteous cause you can shout WE DON'T LISTEN TO TERRORISTS.

See:

The ANC, IRA, Sandinistas, Black Panthers, Viet Cong, PLA, FMLN and so on. Right or not, once someone is fighting it gives everyone who has a reason to dismiss the cause the ability to use that against you. And censor you.

Of course if you don't fight sometimes you'll just be killed slowly and no one will listen anyway. So there's that choice.

NotSuchASmugMarried · 28/10/2023 23:14

I think it's because they back Israel, so they don't want too many negative things being published about Israel.