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The double standards of free speech on Palestine amid Israel’s war on Gaza

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Ohlalalalala · 28/10/2023 23:12

On UpFront, Marc Lamont Hill speaks to Dima Khalidi, director of Palestine Legal, and Ilan Pappe, renowned author and professor of history at Exeter University, about the limits to free speech on the Israel-Gaza war.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/program/upfront/2023/10/27/the-double-standards-of-free-speech-on-palestine

As the war in Gaza continues, why is the West cracking down on free speech?
A battle is playing out in the realm of public opinion on Israel’s war on Gaza.

While demonstrations have taken place across the globe in solidarity with Palestinians, there have been campaigns to silence critics of Israel’s actions.

Commentators, academics and even common citizens have reported increasing threats and retaliation for expressing their views or voicing solidarity with the Palestinian people, often in countries that proclaim to uphold values of freedom of expression and democracy.

The double standards of free speech on Palestine

As the war in Gaza continues, why is the West cracking down on free speech?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/program/upfront/2023/10/27/the-double-standards-of-free-speech-on-palestine

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Ohlalalalala · 03/11/2023 11:04

MissyB1 · 03/11/2023 08:01

I’m gobsmacked at politicians who dare to call for a ceasefire getting sacked!! Theres at least one each from Tories and Labour I believe. Is that how far we have sunk now in Britain??? That we can’t ask for people to stop killing each other? That we can’t ask for a Country to stop dropping bombs on kids? That asking for lives to be saved loses you your job?!

It’s extremely shameful and deeply worrying that showing basic humanity will get you punished.

Yep, unbelievable! I can't find the words to express how shocked I am by this. Where's the outrage in the mass media regarding our freedom of speech being curtailed so unashamedly?

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FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 03/11/2023 10:44

OhHelloTheres · 03/11/2023 10:34

No, the official party line is that a ceasefire will be detrimental to Israel at this point as it will give Hamas a much-needed chance to regroup so they can attempt another 7/10 in the future, just like they've openly said they will.

I personally agree with that party line on this occasion. I don't often agree with the Tories 🙃

I don't agree that an MP should be fired for disagreeing with it though. That seems absolutely bizarre. I think individuals should be allowed to call for a ceasefire if that's what they think is right.

But however good or bad the reasons for that party line, it IS predicated on children being killed.

Even if that is deemed sadly necessary for the greater good, it is, as you say, still outrageous to sack somebody for wanting a ceasefire - even if you personally believe it to be unrealistic or ineffective in the circumstances.

OhHelloTheres · 03/11/2023 10:35

MissyB1 · 03/11/2023 10:20

No I don’t think there was more to it, apparently it’s because they broke the party line.

Then I think it's a bonkers decision 🤷🏻‍♀️

OhHelloTheres · 03/11/2023 10:34

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 03/11/2023 10:26

No I don’t think there was more to it, apparently it’s because they broke the party line.

Wow. So the official party line is that children must be killed (on either side) and anybody who has a problem with that is being outrageous? Chilling.

It makes you wonder what other 'principles' some of our top politicians may have, and what they may have been up to, whereby anybody who isn't willing to call black 'white', up 'down' or east 'west' - or who denies that the emperor is fully dressed - in criticising them for shameful behaviour must be censured.

No, the official party line is that a ceasefire will be detrimental to Israel at this point as it will give Hamas a much-needed chance to regroup so they can attempt another 7/10 in the future, just like they've openly said they will.

I personally agree with that party line on this occasion. I don't often agree with the Tories 🙃

I don't agree that an MP should be fired for disagreeing with it though. That seems absolutely bizarre. I think individuals should be allowed to call for a ceasefire if that's what they think is right.

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 03/11/2023 10:26

No I don’t think there was more to it, apparently it’s because they broke the party line.

Wow. So the official party line is that children must be killed (on either side) and anybody who has a problem with that is being outrageous? Chilling.

It makes you wonder what other 'principles' some of our top politicians may have, and what they may have been up to, whereby anybody who isn't willing to call black 'white', up 'down' or east 'west' - or who denies that the emperor is fully dressed - in criticising them for shameful behaviour must be censured.

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 03/11/2023 10:20

There is something very concerning and totalitarian about a country seeking to train young people to be fervently and unquestioningly defensive of a country and everything that their government decides to do.

I realise that, as countries go, the UK - as a partial democracy (we are never allowed to elect or peacefully protest against our ultimate leader) - is one of the most privileged ones that I could have been born in.

That doesn't mean that I will automatically defend it on everything, without ever questioning or vehemently disagreeing with a great deal that the government (of any political colour) does and believes.

That doesn't mean that I will cheerfully accept and condone bombs being dropped on Afghan children because the government fabricates a 'justification' why these children need to die to 'pay for' the actions of adult Saudi terrorists.

Why is North Korea considered such a pariah state, when some of its core ideals are clearly so warmly embraced and encouraged by countries that like to insist to us that they are somehow progressive western democracies?

MissyB1 · 03/11/2023 10:20

OhHelloTheres · 03/11/2023 08:13

I'm pro-Israel but also find the idea of firing someone for calling for a ceasefire bizarre. Are we sure there's not more to it?

No I don’t think there was more to it, apparently it’s because they broke the party line.

OhHelloTheres · 03/11/2023 08:13

I'm pro-Israel but also find the idea of firing someone for calling for a ceasefire bizarre. Are we sure there's not more to it?

MissyB1 · 03/11/2023 08:01

I’m gobsmacked at politicians who dare to call for a ceasefire getting sacked!! Theres at least one each from Tories and Labour I believe. Is that how far we have sunk now in Britain??? That we can’t ask for people to stop killing each other? That we can’t ask for a Country to stop dropping bombs on kids? That asking for lives to be saved loses you your job?!

It’s extremely shameful and deeply worrying that showing basic humanity will get you punished.

Flyhigher · 03/11/2023 07:42

@SeeReality this is true. But people also do it. Because they can't be assertive.

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Ohlalalalala · 02/11/2023 10:36

nomoretoriesforme · 02/11/2023 10:25

I absolutely agree with this...

Agreed

Rishi Sunak sacks senior Tory aide for calling for Gaza ceasefire

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sunak-paul-bristow-gaza-ceasefire-b2438564.html

Sacked for calling for a ceasefire for humanitarian reasons!

You can keep your position as long as you side with those responsible for a genocide. In other words you have to be complicit with crimes against humanity to be part of our government! I despair!

Rishi Sunak sacks senior Tory aide for calling for Gaza ceasefire

Paul Bristow had called for ‘permanent’ ceasefire in Gaza in letter to PM

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sunak-paul-bristow-gaza-ceasefire-b2438564.html

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nomoretoriesforme · 02/11/2023 10:25

trambolise · 29/10/2023 01:16

Many claim democracy but your free speech only exists as long as you agree with them.

I absolutely agree with this...

ssd · 02/11/2023 10:05

Thank god for social media.

The truth can't be hidden anymore.

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Ohlalalalala · 30/10/2023 22:01

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Yes the whole world is seeing the genocide unfold and are very shocked by the behaviour of their governments.
It's the western "leaders" and the mass media who are either encouraging the onslaught, silent or looking elsewhere. Thank God for the people.

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SeeReality · 30/10/2023 21:53

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Ohlalalalala · 30/10/2023 21:35

The 2 videos from the article about I posted earlier:

Israel's new Hasbara app

https://youtu.be/iYzVOlcENZ4?feature=shared

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Ohlalalalala · 30/10/2023 21:31

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Sad isn't it? They are so used to pushing the same narrative over and over that they don't even care if they look genuine or not. Pathetic.

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Ohlalalalala · 30/10/2023 09:51

The art of deception: How Israel uses ‘hasbara’ to whitewash its crimes

https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/the-art-of-deception-how-israel-uses-hasbara-to-whitewash-its-crimes-46775

"The Israelis have long relied on a public diplomacy strategy to dominate the arena of narrative control and information manipulation."

A very informative article. Hasbara has been used for a long time now. It's high time people knew about it.

The art of deception: How Israel uses ‘hasbara’ to whitewash its crimes

The Israelis have long relied on a public diplomacy strategy to dominate the arena of narrative control and information manipulation.

https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/the-art-of-deception-how-israel-uses-hasbara-to-whitewash-its-crimes-46775

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Roste · 30/10/2023 09:11

They get little reaction from the public because people have seen the Middle East portrayed as troublesome over the last twenty years or so, whilst Israel has always been warmly received. Many then see Israel as needing to be protected, regardless of their actions, protecting against anti semitism perceived is deeply ingrained in our psyche. Just take a look at this board over 200 replies to an adult saying they are feeling scared because they are Jewish and over 100 responses to the number of Palestinian children killed by Israel. Would that be happening if the situation was reversed?

ssd · 30/10/2023 08:48

But they are getting away with it?
How come these idiots get voted in?
Am looking at uk government too

Ohlalalalala · 30/10/2023 06:40

Taking us for idiots! People like this are insulting our intelligence every single day. Sick of their narrative.

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