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The double standards of free speech on Palestine amid Israel’s war on Gaza

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Ohlalalalala · 28/10/2023 23:12

On UpFront, Marc Lamont Hill speaks to Dima Khalidi, director of Palestine Legal, and Ilan Pappe, renowned author and professor of history at Exeter University, about the limits to free speech on the Israel-Gaza war.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/program/upfront/2023/10/27/the-double-standards-of-free-speech-on-palestine

As the war in Gaza continues, why is the West cracking down on free speech?
A battle is playing out in the realm of public opinion on Israel’s war on Gaza.

While demonstrations have taken place across the globe in solidarity with Palestinians, there have been campaigns to silence critics of Israel’s actions.

Commentators, academics and even common citizens have reported increasing threats and retaliation for expressing their views or voicing solidarity with the Palestinian people, often in countries that proclaim to uphold values of freedom of expression and democracy.

The double standards of free speech on Palestine

As the war in Gaza continues, why is the West cracking down on free speech?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/program/upfront/2023/10/27/the-double-standards-of-free-speech-on-palestine

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Ohlalalalala · 10/11/2023 18:41

Hundreds of journalists sign letter protesting coverage of Israel
The letter exposes divisions and frustrations within U.S. newsrooms about how they are covering the Gaza conflict.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/media/2023/11/09/open-letter-journalists-israel-gaza/

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Ohlalalalala · 10/11/2023 09:05

BelleHathor · 10/11/2023 08:30

Aka young people are not falling for the propaganda, so ban it!!!

TBH 2 year's ago I was also on the Ban Tik Tok train as I thought that the Chinese communist party was dumbing down our kids by teaching them stupid dances 😬.
Having watched some intelligent content recently, I'm incredibly proud of the "youngsters" on there, they're making succinct videos with references etc. Bitesize History that you can follow up.

Agreed.

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BelleHathor · 10/11/2023 08:30

Ohlalalalala · 10/11/2023 07:59

TikTok under fire as US lawmakers decry anti-Israel ‘indoctrination’ https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/10/tiktok-faces-renewed-calls-for-a-ban-amid-pro-hamas-anti-israel-claims

Aka young people are not falling for the propaganda, so ban it!!!

TBH 2 year's ago I was also on the Ban Tik Tok train as I thought that the Chinese communist party was dumbing down our kids by teaching them stupid dances 😬.
Having watched some intelligent content recently, I'm incredibly proud of the "youngsters" on there, they're making succinct videos with references etc. Bitesize History that you can follow up.

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Ohlalalalala · 10/11/2023 06:42

BelleHathor · 10/11/2023 00:47

An influencer named Goub.

Thanks!

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BelleHathor · 10/11/2023 00:47

Ohlalalalala · 09/11/2023 23:36

I saw this the other day. The same man from the link you shared. Who is he?

https://x.com/Robert_Martin72/status/1722115415407743236?s=20

An influencer named Goub.

Ohlalalalala · 09/11/2023 23:36

BelleHathor · 09/11/2023 20:01

🤬🤬 The media bias is so nakedly transparent. It's a deliberate tool used in order to paint anyone who doesn't immediately clearly and loudly condemn as being a terrorist sympathiser and to dehumanise Palestinians further.

Funnily enough it's usually asked of mainly Brown people, I wonder why 🤔

The righteous indignation expressed by this gentleman sums it quite well:
https://x.com/sofearozaidi_/status/1721139049338134913?s=20

I saw this the other day. The same man from the link you shared. Who is he?

https://x.com/Robert_Martin72/status/1722115415407743236?s=20

https://x.com/Robert_Martin72/status/1722115415407743236?s=20

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Ohlalalalala · 09/11/2023 23:00

Wintersgirl · 09/11/2023 22:34

To say marching for Palestine is antisemitic is laughable when so so many of those taking part are Jewish themselves. Please stop that discourse.

Yes, you're right, it's a lazy arguement and it needs to stop. This is a very interesting interview.

He's from here:

Torah Judaism
@TorahJudaism
Jews United Against Zionism.
https://twitter.com/TorahJudaism

A peace loving man.

Another group here:
Torah Jews
@TorahJews
Official & only page of Torah Jews, נטרונא. Anti-Zionist organisation, Gatekeepers of the Satmar Rebbe’s Legacy. Endorsed by Rabbis in the UK, USA & Israel.

https://twitter.com/TorahJews?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

WE ARE NA'AMOD
We are a movement of Jews in the UK seeking to end our community’s support for Israel's occupation and apartheid, and to mobilise it in the struggle for freedom, equality and justice for all Palestinians and Israelis
https://naamod.org.uk/

Home - Na'amod

We are British Jews seeking to end our community’s support for the occupation in the struggle for freedom and justice for all Palestinians and Israelis

https://naamod.org.uk

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Wintersgirl · 09/11/2023 22:49

argument

Wintersgirl · 09/11/2023 22:34

To say marching for Palestine is antisemitic is laughable when so so many of those taking part are Jewish themselves. Please stop that discourse.

Yes, you're right, it's a lazy arguement and it needs to stop. This is a very interesting interview.

"We Cry for the Palestinians" | Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss

Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss is an activist and spokesperson for Neturei Karta, which vocally opposes Zionism and the state of Israel. Irrespective of whether o...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2H-F0HVKDY&t=488s

BelleHathor · 09/11/2023 22:14

Jeff Bezos's Washington Post. The number of people who would have seen the image prior to publication and seemingly saw nothing wrong with it.

Ohlalalalala · 09/11/2023 22:04

Washington Post racist cartoon/ Another example of double standards in the media.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzbtJtDthtm/?igshid=cjF3enl6aWVrbm80

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzbtJtDthtm?igshid=cjF3enl6aWVrbm80

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BelleHathor · 09/11/2023 21:48

FOJN · 09/11/2023 21:19

FFS there's not even an attempt to hide the racism.

Masks are fully off! It's basically saying all you people look the same. The funny thing he sounds like a typical West London man.
To think Esther Mcvey used to be a serving MP...

BelleHathor · 09/11/2023 21:34

@Ohlalalalala It just perfectly encapsulates what a lot of the media are asking of anyone deemed to be "Pro" Palestinian aka against the indiscriminate killing and collective punishment of civilians.
Another one I heard was on Andrew Castle on LBC asking a lot if his Muslim callers to condemn Hamas.
https://x.com/Natasha_KC1/status/1718186498955046993?s=20

The double standards of free speech on Palestine amid Israel’s war on Gaza
FOJN · 09/11/2023 21:19

BelleHathor · 09/11/2023 20:01

🤬🤬 The media bias is so nakedly transparent. It's a deliberate tool used in order to paint anyone who doesn't immediately clearly and loudly condemn as being a terrorist sympathiser and to dehumanise Palestinians further.

Funnily enough it's usually asked of mainly Brown people, I wonder why 🤔

The righteous indignation expressed by this gentleman sums it quite well:
https://x.com/sofearozaidi_/status/1721139049338134913?s=20

FFS there's not even an attempt to hide the racism.

Ohlalalalala · 09/11/2023 20:39

BelleHathor · 09/11/2023 20:01

🤬🤬 The media bias is so nakedly transparent. It's a deliberate tool used in order to paint anyone who doesn't immediately clearly and loudly condemn as being a terrorist sympathiser and to dehumanise Palestinians further.

Funnily enough it's usually asked of mainly Brown people, I wonder why 🤔

The righteous indignation expressed by this gentleman sums it quite well:
https://x.com/sofearozaidi_/status/1721139049338134913?s=20

Ahhhhhh @BelleHathor thanks for raising my blood pressure 😡 Unbelievable! Thank God I've never watched that channel, and never will.

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DownNative · 09/11/2023 20:13

Ohlalalalala · 28/10/2023 23:44

@MrsTerryPratchett @NotSuchASmugMarried the dubbing is just ludicrous! Didn't know about that; thanks for sharing.

Thanks @MrsTerryPratchett your analysis is spot on. "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter".

If you believe that 'one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter', then you are arguing that something being terrorism, is really just a matter of opinion. One perspective.

If you also think that if any State was involved in "state terrorism", then you need to pause and reflect on how your terrorist/freedom fighter idea, somewhat undermines your accusation regarding "state terrorism".

If 'terrorism' is, as you say, really just a matter of opinion, then your accusation about state terrorism is just an expression of your opinion. If it's just an opinion, then other opinions are available and just as valid. It would seem that some advocates of the "state terrorism" school of thought, have a bit of a problem. 🤷‍♂️

At any rate, PIRA was an illegal organisation on both sides of the border since they posed a threat to both Sovereign Governments. Absolutely not "freedom fighters".

BelleHathor · 09/11/2023 20:01

Ohlalalalala · 09/11/2023 18:43

WHY DO UK MEDIA INSIST PALESTINIANS CONDEMN HAMAS BUT NOT THAT ISRAELIS CONDEMN ISRAEL?

https://www.declassifieduk.org/why-do-uk-media-insist-palestinians-condemn-hamas-but-not-that-israelis-condemn-israel/

🤬🤬 The media bias is so nakedly transparent. It's a deliberate tool used in order to paint anyone who doesn't immediately clearly and loudly condemn as being a terrorist sympathiser and to dehumanise Palestinians further.

Funnily enough it's usually asked of mainly Brown people, I wonder why 🤔

The righteous indignation expressed by this gentleman sums it quite well:
https://x.com/sofearozaidi_/status/1721139049338134913?s=20

https://x.com/sofearozaidi_/status/1721139049338134913?s=20

Xenia · 09/11/2023 18:56

I don't insist anyone condemn anyone. We are a free country. I don't see MN stopping anti Israel comments and I often feel a sole voice here as a supporter of Israel. I see free speech prevail. On the Financial Times website because they are mostly fairly woke left, they won't let readers comment at all - presumably because their writers would cry if they heard someone supporting Israel. The left are torn in two over this issue too but not an issue for me as a Tory voter. We have seen a lot of marches and nothing like as much from the pro Israel side. I hope all sides can continue to act largely within the law in the UK but I do want stricter laws stopping people blocking roads (for whatever grounds that might be) and that kind of thing . I am against the new laws stopping protests at abortion clinics as that is too close to where women are dealing with difficult things.

Ohlalalalala · 09/11/2023 18:45

@SolomonEdGrundy why did mn delete several posts of yours upthread?

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aswarmofmidges · 06/11/2023 12:25

Fatherjack

It means you don't let anything stand in your way to tackle the crisis

It means you don't let whataboutary distract from the problems at hand

It doesn't mean you stop doing things that help communities that still suffer from the effects of slavery and racism

It does mean yes you start with any major dispute - if the discussions process in the region hadn't ground to a halt about 8 years ago we might not be in this situation now

Ohlalalalala · 05/11/2023 08:12

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I saw the video the other day and I was so shocked by such uncalled for brutality!😡

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