gaza tunnel system

@Desertrose2023 why would Hamas put hostages under a refugee camp full of people? What did they think the direct result would be? By confirming they were there Hamas has confirmed they are using their people as human shields and build tunnels under camps.

@Desertrose2023
You keep going on about how many more Palestinians have been killed than Israelis. I agree, the number of casualties in Gaza is much higher than in Israel. I am not ok with how many families are being torn apart.

If we include all the attempted murders though from Hamas, I think you'll find it's not so imbalanced. How many rockets have they fired now this past month? These rockets aren't fireworks - their purpose is to kill and maim. The Iron Dome has saved thousands of lives. That's the only reason there aren't more dead Israelis. The only reason.

Two posters from a homogenous group of people, you can't have a homogenous group of two people, don’t be silly.

Err yeah, a homogenous group of 2 random posters who attacked me. Nice try though.

I don’t know you, so perhaps direct this paranoia at someone else.

you and your buddy directed your vitriol at me … as if we’re from some homogenous group… possibly some conspiratorial shadowy powerful lobby trying to… gasp, control the narrative and shut down debate. I just came here to talk about tunnels and terrorist financing options.

Referring to the dozens of times myself and pro-Palestinian posters have seen this false accusation used over the past few weeks on these threads by some posters to try and stifle debate. Frankly it’s disgusting to throw out the kind of slanderous statement @25milesfromhome made “she just desperately wants to fight with Jews on the internet”.

I have no idea who either of you are, nor what you believe. Nor do I care.

So it seems the only thing we can agree on is that continuing this conversation is pointless so please don’t engage with me any further as I’d rather not waste my energy on either of you.

As is your right to do so

It is good to have rights after all

'It never gets old ' referring to the trope that Jews cry antisemitism at every opportunity?

I think this is a pointless conversation really. Personally I have no idea what you think about Jews or if you realise sometimes you say stuff that sounds like a old trope. My issue will you is that you are blinkered the deaths of everyone elsbut Palestinians and blinkered to the feelings other people have about the conflict. Unless people think and behave exactly like you want them to you act like they are doing something wrong. Sorry but people can process their own emotions in a different way. They can also post about other things and not constantly the same topic. This is mumsnet not a facist state.

wow, thanks, but I’ll get my pseudo psychology elsewhere.

you and your buddy directed your vitriol at me and I responded. if you’re that bothered by my presence you feel free to leave. I’ll continue to comment and remain on as many threads as I wish.

Afraid as the saying goes: You don't see people as they are, you see people as you are

This applies to everyone really so not an insult. Just a psychological truth.

As you have been told before by posters you need to take a break or something from all this anyway

Here we go, more mudslinging accusations of antisemitism to try and shut people up. Does it never get old? Can you not think of a more creative way to try and shut people up?

I have more understanding of this conflict that you will ever know. You don’t know me, so keep you assumptions to yourself.

and when it comes to compassion I’ve seen very little, if any, compassion for Palestinians from the Pro Israeli posters on these threads. Only deflection, excuses and attempts to change the narrative. And I don’t think Israel needs Hamas’s help to demonize itself. It’s doing a stellar job, including through how it operates and treats civilians in the West Bank where Hamas doesn’t govern.

You are the one that needs some sort of help. This is what the leaders of Gaza said in latest video interview available online or from some media outlets. Go and scream about this to people:

Ghazi Hamad, deputy foreign minister for Hamas, boasted their slaughter of 1,400 Israelis inside their homes or as they fled a festival 'destroyed the myth of Israel as a military superpower'.

Hamas leader dismisses Gaza civilian deaths as 'a necessary price in blood' and boasts that the terror group has 'demonstrated that Israel is beatable… we are changing the Middle East'

Everything he has said Hamas has said similar before again and again

Yes people like you who blindly support something you don't understand. That are only willing to have sympathy for one sides deaths. That jump on threads to emotionally blackmail posters into supporting your cause. However fail to realise most the posters have more compassion for innocent civilians on both sides than yourself. People like you are a big part of why this conflict has continued. You believe in a just cause and try to divide others. The rest of us believe helping Hamas to demonise Israel does not help the Gazen people.

Perhaps see a therapist then, don’t take your anger out on people on the internet.

I’ll reserve my rage and grief for the refugees bombed yesterday and today by Israel.

@Trulywonderful “It really is Palestinians, Palestinians, Palestinians with people like you. You have no compassion for what anyone else involved in the conflict has been through”

‘People like me’. Interesting. Careful, your mask is slipping.

you have no idea who or what I have compassion for. However, given that at least 6 times more Palestinians have been killed than Israelis since this more recent conflict started (not counting those murdered by Israel during the course of the year before this) and most of them women and children, yes my posts are focused on them.

Then why to you believe one side gets a free pass to threaten tokill innocent civilians actually kill innocent civilians?

They have both been through trauma under your own premise. The premise you have posted on many threads in many many posts
(Even if the topic of a thread is antisemitism is the UK I might add)

I think this one is a teenager from the posts I have seen. Just yanking everyones chain. Else has some comprehensive and boundary issues.

That’s a hard no.

I have copied your premise actually

So you agree you are wrong?

Glad you think genocide is so entertaining. Please continue.

So your premise is because Jews have suffered they are now allowed to inflict suffering on others?

Will there ever be any accountability?

And deprive you of the attention you so desperately crave? I couldn’t possibly, your displays of compassion are so riveting.