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Noicant · 28/10/2023 19:11

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/28/us/politics/gazas-tunnels-israel-ground-war.html

I thought this was an interesting article about Gaza’s systems of tunnels which would help explain what the IDF are trying to get at.

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ProvincialLady1 · 01/11/2023 15:22

https://x.com/HenMazzig/status/1719703605366689800?s=20

This is why I can't support a ceasefire.

https://x.com/HenMazzig/status/1719703605366689800?s=20

Efacsen · 01/11/2023 15:21

25milesfromhome · 01/11/2023 15:11

No bombs, no planes, no airport- factually correct. From 2006-2021 there were nearly 17,000 missiles fired into Israel from Gaza. (There are very comprehensive lists on Wikipedia, you can count them.)Thousands more have been fired at Israel in the last 2 years, many hundreds just in the last 3 weeks, but less verified number sources so far. Not to mention missiles from Lebanon/Hezbollah, Syria and Yemen/Houthi. At least 200,000 Israelis currently displaced/evacuated from towns and villages near the border with Gaza. Iran funds Hamas $100 million a year to develop military capabilities, weapons and missile technology. I read on the BBC today that Hamas soldiers destroyed a supposedly impregnable armoured Israeli vehicle and the soldiers inside it with a Russian anti tank missile. Are Hamas capable of annihilation? I don’t think they lack the equipment or the will.

A senior Hamas official based in Lebanon gave details of the group’s weapons manufacturing in an edited interview with Russia Today’s Arabic-news channel RT Arabic published on their website on Sunday.
“We have local factories for everything, for rockets with ranges of 250 km, for 160 km, 80km, and 10 km. We have factories for mortars and their shells. … We have factories for Kalashnikovs (rifles) and their bullets. We’re manufacturing the bullets with permission from the Russians. We’re building it in Gaza,” Ali Baraka, head of Hamas National Relations Abroad, told the outlet.
But former US officials say there is little question the massive stockpile of weapons used in Saturday’s attack was acquired and assembled with help from Iran.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/13/middleeast/hamas-weapons-invs/index.html

Yes that's all true and as I said there is no need for exaggeration because it's bad enough already

SharonEllis · 01/11/2023 15:17

Efacsen · 01/11/2023 14:30

Few facts missing here

No bombing of Israel by Hamas - no airforce/no planes/no airport even

Also Israel has lots of safe rooms and bomb shelters in public and private buildings to keep it citizens safe from missile attack

Your 'risk of annihilation' is much overstated -it's all bad enough without exaggerating

Of course Israel is at risk of annhilation. They are constantly being fired at & Iran, Hamas Hezbollah have all stated tbeir intention to destroy Israel. Thats why they built the iron dome system. Thet have bomb shelters because they care about protecting theit citizens. The extensive tunnel system in gaza is there to proyect hamas and military persinnel/supplies/capability. They could have built bomb shelters for their population but choose not to. Though, not murdering 1400 Israelis would also prevented the latest Israeli attack.

25milesfromhome · 01/11/2023 15:11

No bombs, no planes, no airport- factually correct. From 2006-2021 there were nearly 17,000 missiles fired into Israel from Gaza. (There are very comprehensive lists on Wikipedia, you can count them.)Thousands more have been fired at Israel in the last 2 years, many hundreds just in the last 3 weeks, but less verified number sources so far. Not to mention missiles from Lebanon/Hezbollah, Syria and Yemen/Houthi. At least 200,000 Israelis currently displaced/evacuated from towns and villages near the border with Gaza. Iran funds Hamas $100 million a year to develop military capabilities, weapons and missile technology. I read on the BBC today that Hamas soldiers destroyed a supposedly impregnable armoured Israeli vehicle and the soldiers inside it with a Russian anti tank missile. Are Hamas capable of annihilation? I don’t think they lack the equipment or the will.

A senior Hamas official based in Lebanon gave details of the group’s weapons manufacturing in an edited interview with Russia Today’s Arabic-news channel RT Arabic published on their website on Sunday.
“We have local factories for everything, for rockets with ranges of 250 km, for 160 km, 80km, and 10 km. We have factories for mortars and their shells. … We have factories for Kalashnikovs (rifles) and their bullets. We’re manufacturing the bullets with permission from the Russians. We’re building it in Gaza,” Ali Baraka, head of Hamas National Relations Abroad, told the outlet.
But former US officials say there is little question the massive stockpile of weapons used in Saturday’s attack was acquired and assembled with help from Iran.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/13/middleeast/hamas-weapons-invs/index.html

Efacsen · 01/11/2023 14:59

And no bombing from any direction or from any other parties - missiles yes but again no planes

Efacsen · 01/11/2023 14:30

jeffgoldblum · 01/11/2023 14:08

Israel built the iron dome because they are constantly being bombed and having rockets fired at them from multiple sources, has it not occurred to people that had they not , they would have been annihilated by now?

Few facts missing here

No bombing of Israel by Hamas - no airforce/no planes/no airport even

Also Israel has lots of safe rooms and bomb shelters in public and private buildings to keep it citizens safe from missile attack

Your 'risk of annihilation' is much overstated -it's all bad enough without exaggerating

Desertrose2023 · 01/11/2023 14:18

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jeffgoldblum · 01/11/2023 14:08

Israel built the iron dome because they are constantly being bombed and having rockets fired at them from multiple sources, has it not occurred to people that had they not , they would have been annihilated by now?

ProvincialLady1 · 01/11/2023 14:02

Desertrose2023 · 01/11/2023 13:38

But do you condemn war crimes ?

This is a thread about the Gaza tunnels which you have delighted with your mawkish poem. But since you ask, yes I do obviously condemn war crimes. It's just very difficult to parse the deceit from the facts at the moment due to a small band of committed posters constantly filling the board with disinformation. I've hidden and unfollowed the rest of the board and threads for that reason, but this one seems to be more informative rather than propaganda-driven. So this will be my last reply to you.

Desertrose2023 · 01/11/2023 13:38

ProvincialLady1 · 01/11/2023 12:43

I will tell my child not to consume manipulative, shitty poetry posted by someone who had not one word to say about the news of the massacre on October 7th. I will tell them every issue is complex, and anyone that wants them to get out a placard and doesn't encourage them to be measured and thoughtful, is not leading them down a good path.

But do you condemn war crimes ?

Parker231 · 01/11/2023 13:14

Report from the Sky reporter, Alex Crawford that
“Gaza doctors tell us - like others have reiterated too - ‘this is a war on children’ with most of the dead being children or women and one child being killed an estimated every ten minutes”

Hate to think of what is happening in Gaza now. The hospitals can no longer cope with the numbers of injured and people are starving.

Xenia · 01/11/2023 12:58

How Hamas is funded is interesting - they are like any terrorist group and have fingers in pies in all kinds of illegal activities.

ProvincialLady1 · 01/11/2023 12:43

Desertrose2023 · 01/11/2023 11:46

Sharing this for people who need to read it.

I will tell my child not to consume manipulative, shitty poetry posted by someone who had not one word to say about the news of the massacre on October 7th. I will tell them every issue is complex, and anyone that wants them to get out a placard and doesn't encourage them to be measured and thoughtful, is not leading them down a good path.

25milesfromhome · 01/11/2023 12:04

The WSJ has a map of Gaza tunnels identified by Israel as of 2014. Astonishing to think such an extensive network was mostly constructed by hand to avoid detection. https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/israel-hamas-war-biden/card/map-shows-labyrinth-of-tunnels-made-by-hamas-under-gaza-identified-by-israel-IieNDixn5Bs78HeUi46v

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Desertrose2023 · 01/11/2023 11:46

Sharing this for people who need to read it.

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Trulywonderful · 31/10/2023 21:26

He only has gone and done this now 😂

Do you use a crystal ball or what?😂😂😂😂

Seriously you would have to be a complete moron to believe his explanation of what happened

Trulywonderful · 30/10/2023 19:09

ProvincialLady1 · 30/10/2023 18:44

I'm surprised Russia didn't claim it was a few stray Nazis over from Ukraine.

Really shouldn't laugh at that but you nailed then😂

ProvincialLady1 · 30/10/2023 18:44

Ohdearanotheryear · 30/10/2023 18:16

Awful isn't it.

Then there's the problems in Russia extremists rampaging through the airport. Russia says external forces! Some extremist groups are popping up around the world.

I'm surprised Russia didn't claim it was a few stray Nazis over from Ukraine.

Ohdearanotheryear · 30/10/2023 18:16

Trulywonderful · 30/10/2023 18:13

The ex Hamas leader said similar when he called all Jihad to rise a couple of weeks ago. Plus this was said somewhere in Hamas original charter too. It is an old school Islamic reference to something in the Quran. Islamic extremists believe this is there cause and all that.

Awful isn't it.

Then there's the problems in Russia extremists rampaging through the airport. Russia says external forces! Some extremist groups are popping up around the world.

Trulywonderful · 30/10/2023 18:13

Ohdearanotheryear · 30/10/2023 18:07

Shared by Bluegnetian on another thread.

Hamas has ideas after Israel. Hopefully Israel wipe out the Hamas terrorists. Mamoud Al Sha... is a right madman

This is a religious war against all religions?
Uncle here wants to take over the world
https://twitter.com/AmyMek/status/1711988348544491909

Edited

The ex Hamas leader said similar when he called all Jihad to rise a couple of weeks ago. Plus this was said somewhere in Hamas original charter too. It is an old school Islamic reference to something in the Quran. Islamic extremists believe this is there cause and all that.

Ohdearanotheryear · 30/10/2023 18:07

Shared by Bluegnetian on another thread.

Hamas has ideas after Israel. Hopefully Israel wipe out the Hamas terrorists. Mamoud Al Sha... is a right madman

This is a religious war against all religions?
Uncle here wants to take over the world
https://twitter.com/AmyMek/status/1711988348544491909

https://twitter.com/AmyMek/status/1711988348544491909

Trulywonderful · 30/10/2023 17:57

Noicant · 30/10/2023 16:52

Yeah I imagine they need somewhere to stay tbh!

I read an article in the Spectator suggesting that the Russians are most likely going to start worrying about the destabilisation of parts of Russia like Dagenstan. The hunt for Israelis through the airport and hotels is deeply disturbing. On the other hand it may be more of an opportunity to destabilise the west or have more american focus on the middle east than Europe.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-the-kremlin-will-fear-this-anti-semitic-mob-in-dagestan/

Putin may feel like having Hamas inside the tent pissing out is better then them standing outside pissing in.

Yes I suppose it all has the capability of destabilising many countries /states

On top of what you have posted the middle eastern states really could do without all this too. Not only is it bad for some states much needed tourism industries. It is hitting them straight away in the finance industry, people are more worried about investments. The stokemarkets have been showing this.

SovietSpy · 30/10/2023 17:56

Also surprised to see that sharing facts about Hamas operations and finances are ‘hate’.

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