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Here is a thought for you how about you learn some history of the issues and the how/why these things came about in the first place. Also do you not think Israeli have family that have died at the hands of extremists from Gaza and the west bank? Do you not realise that the middle eastern Jews have loss family to exstemists in neighbouring States? That a large number of the very old fled Europe from people that wanted to kill them or complicit countries. So Gazans Palestinians do not have the Monopoly on PTSD. It really is Palestinians, Palestinians, Palestinians with people like you. You have no compassion for what anyone else involved in the conflict has been through

Plus the Arabs on the land committed many riots and massacres before 1948. The fact that the Arabs and the Jews were going to kill each other once the British left was a big push for the international community to draw up plans to split the land. Other things were involved but the Arabs having the land that is now know as Jordan and the Jewish having the part that is Israel was supposed to bring peace.

Take your ghoulish derailing nonsense back to one of the other dozens of threads you’re emoting all over, I’m sick of it.

I believe a poster earlier quoted that 85% of Hamas members had a least one parent killed by Israel.
Devastatingly insightful as always@Desertrose2023! I have at least one grandparent killed by an Arab country during that time they violently ethnically cleansed their nation of all Jews, confiscated all their property and assets and expelled them. I’ll just call my dad and remind him that according to UNWRA definition we're all actually still refugees and he’s really let the side down by not taking up arms against his oppressors. Maybe he’s just not “motivated” enough for you.

Here’s a crazy thought, if Israel treated Palestinians like human beings and didn’t make them live under occupation and blockade then perhaps they would be less motivated to harm Israel? I believe a poster earlier quoted that 85% of Hamas members had a least one parent killed by Israel.

meanwhile Reuters is reporting that Gaza’s only cancer hospital is now shutting down.

You are right. I don't know what they are using now but it sounds from reports like similar to 2021. These are the missiles Hamas had in 2021:

Yes, we need to stand strong with Israel in the UK and US as our own democratic rights and freedoms will otherwise be at risk. Hamas wants Israel removed. it does not want peace and democracy. Its aims are clear.

Lack of bombs aside ( I'm not a weapons specialist) , my point was simply that if the iron dome wasn't there then Isreal probably wouldn't be there either.

Media are picking up what he said now:

Hamas leader dismisses Gaza civilian deaths as 'a necessary price in blood' and boasts that the terror group has 'demonstrated that Israel is beatable… we are changing the Middle East'

Ghazi Hamad, deputy foreign minister for Hamas boasted their slaughter of 1,400 Israelis inside their homes or as they fled a festival 'destroyed the myth of Israel as a military superpower'.

I believe that.

Not sure why people wouldn’t, so I agree with you,

Everyone really needs to see this, and listen. He is telling it like it is - why not believe him?

I hope so too, but there are so many bad faith actors, corrupt, self interested agencies and actual lunatics involved in this I don’t know how it can be unravelled.

I hope it's looked into after this abates and people who are responsible are help too account.

@Noicant when I was watching channel 4 news the other evening Matt Frei (I think) said how alike the Palestinians and the Israelis are. The gentleman being interviewed (he was Palestinian) agreed.
Common ground has to be found for this to work and compromise both sides. I stand by ridding that area of Hamas being the best way to achieve it though.

Not belittling anyone - the fear of annihilation must be crippling for Israeli citizens - never feeling safe, missile attacks curtailing and disrupting normal everyday life and I can see how that can destroy a society

And the awful intelligence failure when people thought they were pretty safe will be hard to get over

He is a well known spokesman who recently walked off during a bbc interview.

I don't know why you are intending to belittle Israel. I thought one dead body was one dead body too much?

Hamas' whole reason for being is get rid of the Jews. That's not just what he said but is also widely spoken about.

Israel uses its funds to protect its people not profiteer from them. They have the iron dome and the bomb shelters precisely for this reason. It's doing Hamas a huge disservice to downplay their capabilities and those of hezbolloh and those who subsidise them.

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No, it's generally accepted that we believe their reports about the war, but not their stated aims and intentions.

Yes I understand you, I just don’t agree with you that considering the risk of annihilation is an exaggeration.

Thought we don't believe a word that comes out of Hamas mouths - why give them credit for this nonsense?

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Oh even Hamas call it an annihilation....

Just got me thinking about how transformational it would have been for all the ingenuity, engineering, tech development and commitment to a cause currently on display from on all sides to have been applied to improvement and development rather than destruction. But that’s warmongering leaders/oppressive governments/terrorists/delete as applicable for you.

Yes it's awful but falls well short of annihilation unless you are using a different definition of the word

There's no need to exaggerate it's bad enough without doing that

The psychological damage on the other hand is huge