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To think Israel won't exist much longer?

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sergeantsalt · 28/10/2023 07:56

Support in the west is declining, and when Israel doesn't have weapons and defense funding they won't be able to defend against their neighbouring countries on their own. AIBU to wonder how much longer it can exist given they are losing support?

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Parkingt111 · 01/11/2023 21:53

And finally calling the attack for what it is
A war crime

To think Israel won't exist much longer?
Milkandhoneybees · 01/11/2023 10:01

They want the Palestinian land because it is sat on a large oil and gas reserve. The US is set to have its economy overtaken by China by 2050, so this is Israel and the US’s plan to cling on to power.

https://unctad.org/publication/economic-costs-israeli-occupation-palestinian-people-unrealized-oil-and-natural-gas

From the article:

Geologists and natural resources economists have confirmed that the Occupied Palestinian Territory lies above sizeable reservoirs of oil and natural gas wealth, in Area C of the occupied West Bank and the Mediterranean coast off the Gaza Strip.

However, occupation continues to prevent Palestinians from developing their energy fields so as to exploit and benefit from such assets. As such, the Palestinian people have been denied the benefits of using this natural resource to finance socioeconomic development and meet their need for energy.

The accumulated losses are estimated in the billions of dollars. The longer Israel prevents Palestinians from exploiting their own oil and natural gas reserves, the greater the opportunity costs and the greater the total costs of the occupation borne by Palestinians become.

This guy, richardtmedhurst on Instagram, does a great job of explaining the zoomed out picture if you watch his second most recent video:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy6GVHfuj_R/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

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The Economic Costs of the Israeli Occupation for the Palestinian People: The Unrealized Oil and Natural Gas Potential

Geologists and natural resources economists have confirmed that the Occupied Palestinian Territory lies above sizeable reservoirs of oil and natural gas wealth, in Area C of the occupied West Bank and the Mediterranean coast off the Gaza Strip. However...

https://unctad.org/publication/economic-costs-israeli-occupation-palestinian-people-unrealized-oil-and-natural-gas

Milkandhoneybees · 01/11/2023 09:47

The Israeli government had already been planning a forced displacement of Palestinians, written into government policy. A link to the leaked policy document is in the article.

The Israeli government is deliberately causing an acute humanitarian crisis of vile proportions in order to force the Palestinians to flee their land. They are destroying as much infrastructure as possible for this purpose.

https://dawnmena.org/us-congress-reject-bill-to-support-forced-israeli-displacement-of-palestinians-to-third-countries/

From the article:

Israeli actions, statements, and policy directives, including a leaked policy document drafted by the Israeli intelligence ministry that recommends the permanent forced transfer of Palestinians in Gaza to Sinai, indicate that Israel is actively considering forcibly displacing Palestinians in Gaza to third countries.

"The Biden administration isn't just giving a green light for ethnic cleansing—it's bankrolling it," said Sarah Leah Whitson, DAWN's Executive Director. "Gaslighting Americans into facilitating long-held Israeli plans to depopulate Gaza under the cover of 'humanitarian aid' is a cruel and grotesque hoax."

US Congress: Reject Bill to Support Forced Israeli Displacement of Palestinians to Third Countries

(Washington D.C., October 28, 2023) — The United States should oppose any Israeli actions that could result in the forced displacement of Palestinians from Gaza, said Democracy for the Arab World Now (DAWN).

https://dawnmena.org/us-congress-reject-bill-to-support-forced-israeli-displacement-of-palestinians-to-third-countries/

snickersandmarsandbounty · 31/10/2023 20:19

Even in war if this is what the IDF want to call it there are rules but Isreal time and time again breaks these moral codes. The whole world is on the streets - protesting their actions of sheer barbarism

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 18:51

Majority of Israelis do not have faith in him with how he runs his own country yet we are supposed to believe that he will have any regard for the innocent civilians of Gaza,
Or should I say 'the children of darkness'

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 18:42

Just bomb anywhere and say Hamas was there and we should all nod and say OK then nothing to see here
When will people open their eyes to what is happening
Netanyahu is unhinged
How is he still in power and making decisions

To think Israel won't exist much longer?
Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 18:33

SomeCatFromJapan · 31/10/2023 18:25

The UN official's statement is hugely partisan, "ethno-nationalism" and "settler-colonial", referring to Palestinians alone as "indigenous".
This is not a serious person.

I can see there may be issues in semantics but the IDF have literally bombed a refugee camp
With women and children
There are strewn body parts everywhere
There is no justification for this

feralunderclass · 31/10/2023 18:25

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 31/10/2023 17:31

The scenes are horrific. Absolutely horric and heartbreaking.

It's like watching doomsday unfold. I heard a boy say the dead ones are the lucky ones 😭 Can you imagine watching this level of carnage before your eyes? And on top of that no food, water, electricity, or even a toilet. I cannot fathom it at all.

SomeCatFromJapan · 31/10/2023 18:25

The UN official's statement is hugely partisan, "ethno-nationalism" and "settler-colonial", referring to Palestinians alone as "indigenous".
This is not a serious person.

crimsonfleet · 31/10/2023 18:21

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 31/10/2023 15:01

Clearly no one gets the irony of it. Of course hostages are innocent. I'm not denying that.

The people who have taken them hostage treats them respectfully whilst Israel who supposidly have the right to defend themself and are innocent don't care about the hostages lives. I think the video speaks volumes

Your username is apt. What I'd wrong with this world when people defend terrorists taking hostages?

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 31/10/2023 18:04

The bombed refugee camp is the most heavily populated place on earth.
Israel are pushing Palestinians either towards Egypt or to their deaths.
UN official has resigned calling what is happening in Gaza is genocide.
This is from the Guardian from another thread.

To think Israel won't exist much longer?
whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 31/10/2023 17:31

The scenes are horrific. Absolutely horric and heartbreaking.

HoldOnMiGenna · 31/10/2023 16:52

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whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 31/10/2023 15:01

Clearly no one gets the irony of it. Of course hostages are innocent. I'm not denying that.

The people who have taken them hostage treats them respectfully whilst Israel who supposidly have the right to defend themself and are innocent don't care about the hostages lives. I think the video speaks volumes

Yes I'm sure Shani Louk was treated with the deepest of respect.

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 16:16

This is from the BBC
You can see a enormous crater and bodies everywhere
Children blown to pieces

To think Israel won't exist much longer?
Gruntsandgroans · 31/10/2023 16:11

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 15:52

BBC is currently reporting on it but even they have posted limited pictures as they have said some are just too graphic to put up

There is carnage everywhere
It's really really bad
We need a ceasefire

I saw that. It looks like hell on earth. Israel really need to be held to account for what they are doing. I don't understand why Russia was sanctioned left right and centre and Israel is cheered on whilst shamelessly carrying out a massacre on civilians. It is sick. Israel are a terrorist state and the world needs to do something to try and stop them.

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 15:52

BBC is currently reporting on it but even they have posted limited pictures as they have said some are just too graphic to put up

There is carnage everywhere
It's really really bad
We need a ceasefire

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 15:48

Absolutely horrific scenes coming out right now
What seems to be some of the worst of the bombing since the start of the war
A whole residential area of the Jabalia refugee camp destroyed today
There's bodies everywhere
Some still alive half stuck in the rubble
Some under the rubble
And some blown to pieces where only parts are seen.
Whole families gone
I won't post the pictures on here but it's beyond what words can describe
Majority in the refugee camp were women and children

#CEASEFIRE

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 31/10/2023 15:27

@EasternStandard have you seen the footages, the hundreds of footages from the injuries and dead of Palestine? All done by Israel?

Milkandhoneybees · 31/10/2023 15:12

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EasternStandard · 31/10/2023 15:05

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 31/10/2023 15:01

Clearly no one gets the irony of it. Of course hostages are innocent. I'm not denying that.

The people who have taken them hostage treats them respectfully whilst Israel who supposidly have the right to defend themself and are innocent don't care about the hostages lives. I think the video speaks volumes

The group who took hostages are also responsible for the most depraved and barbaric acts known.

I don’t get this need to speak highly of a terrorist organisation that does that. It’s off rather than ironic.

As for speaking volumes yes I thought that when people acted in the most inhumane way possible.

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 31/10/2023 15:01

Clearly no one gets the irony of it. Of course hostages are innocent. I'm not denying that.

The people who have taken them hostage treats them respectfully whilst Israel who supposidly have the right to defend themself and are innocent don't care about the hostages lives. I think the video speaks volumes

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 14:11

BlurredEdges · 31/10/2023 14:06

Thanks for saying this. X

Also presume you understand (as previous posters apparently don't) that videos of hostages released by their captors don't tend to represent them freely expressing their opinions.

I can't believe I'm even having to say this. Then again I can't believe many of the things I hear at the moment...

Ofcourse I do
Those poor poor women it's very distressing to see and their poor families who must be going out of their mind in agony

What some don't realise is when you stand up for the injustice of some and at the same time condone the injustice of others then your cause is lost