To think Israel won't exist much longer?

Maybe you should start a separate thread on this and those MNs that are interested may be able to enlighten you.

This thread is a different subject

That is if you’re really interested rather than deflecting.

I believe hugely increasing the flow of humanitarian aid into Gaza outweighs Israeli concerns about possible arms smuggling and Hamas “redistribution” of supplies in aid convoys, but I fail to see how cutting diplomatic ties and recalling ambassadors aids this process in any way. It’s just meaningless antagonistic posturing calculated to provoke the same belligerent response as always from Netanyahu. Isolationist policies only serve to bolster Netanyahu’s narrative that only Israel will do what takes to defend itself, at an unacceptable human cost. None of the many, many nations and agencies involved are willing to deviate from their established playbook when a radical shift is needed on all sides.

Whilst I believe that your post was written in good faith, you are failing to acknowledge just how outraged and appalled other countries are with Netanyahu and the IDF.

Yes, what is happening in Pakistan is utterly appalling and I feel particularly sorry for the women and girls and anyone who has a mixed marriage. Terrible.

However, that kind of behaviour of ethnic cleaning is an every day occurrence in Israel and the occupied territories, and it has been like that for a very, very long time. It has now reached a truly unprecedented level of horror, and even Israel’s closest allies, such as the US and UK are telling Israel to act within international law and to be restrained.

Turkey has made some very strong statements against Israel, and given that Palestinian students nearly got lynch-mobbed by a group of Israelis chanting “death to Arabs” in response to the Palestinians throwing eggs, and numerous other videos of Jewish Israelis getting violently attacked for protesting peacefully about the government’s actions on Gaza, Turkey has very legitimate safety concerns for any personnel in Israel.

Further to that, do you really think that Netanyahu’s government would ever want to achieve peace? Absolutely nothing about his words or actions would suggest that.

They would need to tear out the deeply racist rot in Israeli politics, but unfortunately data about the youth in Israel is suggesting that Israeli citizens are becoming more to the far-right, not less.

Turkey has given three reasons why they called back their embassador to discuss.
All three are reasons to aid the Palestinians

I’d also be interested to know which countries have recalled their ambassadors from Pakistan as they begin deporting up to 2 million Afghan refugees back to Taliban occupied Afghanistan? Including the thousands of Afghan refugees who are at extreme risk of torture and murder by the Taliban and were promised resettlement by the US and UK for their co-operation. Pakistan is rounding them all up door to door and forcing them into refugee camps along the border. Which countries and international bodies such as the UN are loudly advocating for them and stepping in to protect their lives and human rights.? Does anyone have any more information on that?

Playing virtue signalling adversarial politics with people’s lives helps no-one. Why wouldn't these countries want their ambassadors to remain in place, surely they’d achieve more to progress peace and help the Palestinians with their involvement? It feels like they’re turning their back on the people who need them more than ever right now just to make a point.

“More children have died in Gaza since October 7 than from conflicts around the world in each of the last four years.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/10/29/more-childrens-deaths-in-gaza-in-3-weeks-than-annual-total-since-2019-ngo

@SomeCatFromJapan iv just had a look and no they haven't
What their reasons political or otherwise may be I do not know
What I do know is that even when recalling there are different levels
Above its stated for consultation on their concerns which includes 'not allowing uninterrupted and continuous humanitarian aid entry'
Which is a grave concern for many

Israel has nearly killed the same amount of civilians in one month that Russia has since Feb 2022. (info taken from BBC) So maybe that's why?

Has Turkey recalled their embassador from Russia yet in protest about Ukraine?

@OhHelloTheres You say:
"But Israel has plenty of people of all those backgrounds and religions living there. They've not been forced to leave. Jews are not more important. Have you ever been to Haifa? Seen the Baha'i gardens? They're still there."

but when I read this about Haifa it just makes me so sad and it doesn't reflect what you tell us

“Both Israeli laws and city planning worked together to seize the property and lands of Palestinian refugees” and to “erase, destroy, deform and privatize the Arab-Palestinian identity and characteristics of Haifa”, he said.

Never mind the refugees themselves "Abdi’s eldest sister, Lutfiyeh, however, was not able to return and remained at the Yarmouk refugee camp in Syria until her death three years ago."

In Haifa, Israel sells Palestinian homes as luxury real estate | Israel-Palestine conflict News | Al Jazeera

Although this one was probably expected by many, Turkey have now recalled their embassador to Israel

The latest country to recall their embassador: Honduras

OPs first sentence notes ‘support in the West for Israel is declining ‘
With the constant never ending bombing of innocent people is it hardly surprising.
Heartbreaking images from all news outlets on the ground of the bombing of an ambulance convoy with critically injured patients and medics as as it left Al Shifa hospital heading to the Egyptian border.
Of note the hospital had alerted all parties of the convoys journey
Patients and medics killed.

It did seem that you were, but thank you for clarifying that you weren’t referring to that awful post.

@feralunderclass and * @Milkandhoneybees who followed up with: And the people afterwards encouraging this vile rhetoric and calling it a breath of fresh air. I honestly had to laugh.*

As I didn’t quote the same post you have here I’m sure you could tell I wasn’t referring to that, but to people disagreeing with each other whilst managing to have a respectful conversation about it. It made a nice change from the endless shoutiness and accusations (of which I’m sure I’m guilty). But that’s all it was. Please don’t twist my words and meaning.

It’s a reminder of why the concept of Messiah and the prayer for peace originated in that region isn’t it. Peace at the junction of continents, in a devastating irony, has only ever been achieved by the strongman at the top. So many peoples, so many cultures, so many constant conflicts.

Well said

G-d help us all. this week's Private Eye is terrifying. Qatar, Morocco, iran, Lebanon... I wish some of these power-crazed warmongering fucking psychopaths would just STOP. Enough already. Let people live. Let it be. No one fucking benefits from war except for the men at the top.

Hassan Nasrallah (leader of Hezbollah) is giving his first speech since 7th October, tomorrow.

Looks like Hezbollah's primary objective at the moment is to keep the IDF busy at the border but many are waiting to see if Nasrallah declares war on Israel. This will be a significant escalation and Hezbollah have a lot more fire power than Hamas.

I'm desperate for Israel to stop bombing Gaza but Hezbollah involvement will only add to civilian suffering in Israel and Lebanon.

What an absolute shit show.

www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hezbollah-leader-set-weigh-middle-east-war-2023-11-02/

It absolutely is
Meanwhile children in Gaza are drinking sea water and the UN have said there could be a risk of genocide
The amount of times we have been shot down or called hysterical for using that word that makes alot of people very uncomfortable but unfortunately this is what it has come to
There needs to be a ceasefire and more aid coming in

I agree 100%. It is heartbreaking and appalling. Unbearable.

Saudi Arabia was about to normalise relations with Israel too and Iran/Hamas could not allow that. Hence the atrocities of Oct 7th and they knew exactly What would happen.

They don't give a fuck who dies, Palestinians, Israelis, anyone else who happens to be there. In fact they celebrate deaths on both sides - Israelis because they want them all dead, Palestinians because it adds to the "body count" for propaganda.

Real human beings, mothers, fathers, children, who just want to live their lives being treated as fucking playthings by evil men in power. I can't bear it. So many lives destroyed forever

Fuck politics

It's highly likely that Hamas would have wanted this
I'm pretty sure they weren't thrilled that Arab countries were normalising relationships with Israel
But again as you say at what cost?
The leaders play politics and the civilians pay the price

Hamas, Iran and Putin are achieving exactly what they wanted to then.

Lucky for them it only comes at the cost of thousands of innocent lives in Israel and Gaza, but none of them give a fuck about that

Bravo.
Lets hope more and more see this ‘war’ for what it really is.

Awaiting further confirmation from the Israeli side but the guardian has reported that Bahrain has cut all economic ties with Israel dua to what it sees as a breach of humanitarian law