To think Israel won't exist much longer?

Jupitersstorm absolutely. The OP and others can create goady post titles like this one as frequently as they like (free speech and all that - we're not exactly Iran.)

But they're essentially pissing in the wind.

Not a chance.

Israel will be there for good. In my humble opinion, they will ALWAYS have support for weapons and funding for defence as right minded governments realise what is really going on here.

Sorry to spoil the hopes of some posters on here.

Cue the vitriol...

Yes, it's the only reason I'm not reporting it. Know your enemy.

They're definitely outing themselves. Compulsively.

Wishing fascists would stop occupying and bombing children = being bad guy.

Neville Chamberlain called, he wants his appeasement strategy back.

The mealy mouthedness of covert terror support was never going to hold in these threads.
It's nice, from a mental health point of view of course that the not so quiet part is being said out aloud.
Being gaslit and the gaslighters hiding behind sanctimony, a loud conviction that their word is the only one that counts and hyper emotionalism that doesn't ring authentic as much as a conduit for something else ( what could that be?) Is the worst thing.
Better out than in, I say.

You are a terrorist supporter.

Yes they are

@PaleOctopus those fighters you are so admiring are the ones who carried out an horrific terrorist attack less than a month ago, slaughtering and torturing children and babies.

Yet other posters here deny that anyone supports Hamas. I've taken a screenshot for anyone who keeps stating that.

You are a terrorist supporter.

Convenient?! I wouldn't fancy being in the IDF right now...

Israel don’t want to fight Hamas out in the open.
Netanyahu does not want a 2 state solution.
Netanyahu said that in the UN conference in September of this year. He even presented a nice map with just Israel in it!

How will fighting out in the open help his aim. Then he’ll only kill Hamas.

Do you know that 3200 Palestinians working in Israel have been sent back to Gaza after 07/10? Why?
The Palestinian genocide is happening now! The Israeli government is a fascist government, hell bent on raising Gaza to the ground; then it will be the turn of the West Bank. What is happening is not tragic; it is indefensible, evil and deliberate.
You show your ignorance, concerning education in Gaza. Gaza ranks as having one of the highest literacy rates in the world, despite the best effort of the USA (by withdrawing funds to UNWRA) and Israel to shut down schools. Read what the mayor of Jerusalem has stated about this.
Finally, you posted " Hamas are barbarians ( I agree) and sadly to stop barbarians you have to be a barbarian". So you admit that what is happening to Palestinians is indeed barbaric and you support it. I hope your conscience is clear.

This thread could bring one to despair.

History is complicated and instead most just focus on this idea of a Palestinian genocide (a genocide over decades doesn't see some of the fastest population growth in the world).

It forgets Israel has a 20% population of arabs (Palestinians who accepted Israel and live with rights that most in the middle east could only dream of- including language rights).

It somehow allows Hamas' actions to be separated from Palestinian cause but also implicitly supports it- Hamas is the defacto govt of Gaza. It also mixes the

What is happening is tragic - the civilian losses.

Hamas needs to go and Gaza needs a non-corrupt, non-hating, non-misogynist, pro-education, pro-woman government.

Instead Hamas are simply barbarians. And sadly to stop barbarians you have to be a barbarian.

I'm sure Israel would prefer to fight them out in the open - why don't you ask Hamas to do that?

But out in the open Hamas just massacre families in their homes and record it on go-pros.

You honestly think Hamas don't hide in civilian populations? After all you have seen Hamas capable of?

I'm quite sure.people who can shoot children in their beds, torture them - are capable of seeing their own civilians as disposable.

Well they can't go to Egypt because the friendly Arab brothers there don't want them. It wasn't a choice. It was only US and Israeli pressure that opened the border to dual citizens and injured.

If your govt (Hamas) starts a war - a massacre largely supported by Palestinians (cheering in streets, flogging of dead bodies) - then you probably don't get the choices when the country attacked fights back.

Ukrainians didn't want to go to other places as refugees either - and the key difference is that their government didn't send troops across a border to massacre civilians. Civilians don't get many choices but to flee when their govt starts a war.

Israel wants to remove Hamas because it is a threat to them. Hamas are the defacto govt in Gaza - they are terrorists, misogynists, anti-gay, oppressive, corrupt and probably the worst thing that has happened to Palestinians. For some reason parts of the west seem to support Hamas because it is Palestine (it isn't. There were moderates in the PA before Hamas).

Perhaps there should be more focus on why the world doesn't need Hamas. Why the Arab states should stop supporting it.

But then, it's better to bash Israel... Wonder why that is...

I think it's convenient for the Israeli government that Hamas are so difficult to see-nobody can disprove what they say when they bomb ambulances and refugee camps. Oh but Hamas were hiding inside, we hear. I can't help thinking "hmm. Maybe they were. Maybe they weren't."

Maybe the Palestinians don’t want to go to Egypt because that’s not their home. Also they were asked to leave the north but Israel still bombed the south as well. There is no escape for the Palestinians. Israel has been stealing their land and homes for decades

Deaths matter.

But so does logic if you're trying to make statements of comparison.

Comparisons are meaningless when non comparable.

Ukraine evacuated, Hamas didn't.

Poland allowed border crossings, Egypt didn't.

Supportive Slavic nations took huge numbers of refugees - Arab states have not.

Ukraine fought in countryside (mostly), Hamas didn't offer to fight Israel in the Sinai.

Deaths matter.

But so does logic if you're trying to make statements of comparison.

Comparisons are meaningless when non comparable.

Ukraine evacuated, Hamas didn't.

Poland allowed border crossings, Egypt didn't.

Ukraine fought in countryside (mostly), Hamas didn't offer to fight Israel in the Sinai.

Oh you're right, now I think about it it's perfectly logical.
I feel so much better.

Largely because Ukraine evacuated civilian populations and their neighbours Poland allowed people to cross the border.

Hamas has rejected the idea of moving people to the South of Gaza, which Israel requested and their friendly Arab neighbours in Egypt are so supportive of the Palestinian cause that they concreted the border for 3 weeks...

Also Gaza is very high population density - despite the statements of genocide, population growth has been one of highest in the world since 1960. Eastern Ukraine is not a high density area.

A bit of thought as to why the civilian casualties are so high would be helpful.

But analysis never helped sensationalist headlines.

Israel has nearly killed the same amount of civilians in one month that Russia has since Feb 2022. (info taken from BBC).

That is absolutely shocking.

Wow this turned into an Al-Jazeera quote match quickly.

It's as though a TV station funded by the same countries (Qatar et al) that actively fund Hamas wouldn't have a biased view.... It's like quoting Russia today for international news.

Sure - Israel has always been so so so terrible - that is why Palestinian(Arab)-Israelis who accepted the state of Israel serve in the army, serve as chief justices (see Khalub), and arab-israelis enjoy more rights than any Arabs in any Arab countries.

And why 20% of the Israeli population is not Jewish and lives just fine. The Arab population has grown.

Those wanting a state of Palestine should ask themselves - why did Jewish populations across the Arab world evaporate in the last 50yrs as Arab nations became more relogious? Baghdad, the Maghreb, Iran... All once had sizeable Jewish populations. All basically gone.

What is happening in Gaza is tragic. But when Hamas showed Israel that it still wants the eradication of a state and a people - it new the response would be huge.

Israel has always said it would not accept violence against its population. Israel told people to leave Hamas strongholds. Other than just accept a massacre of its citizens - what could Israel have done? Hamas hides in civilian areas exactly so any reaction can be blamed as against civilians. It tortures it's own people and steals their collective wealth and aid. They are terrorists.

Hamas brought this to Gaza, and Hamas needs to go.