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To think Israel won't exist much longer?

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sergeantsalt · 28/10/2023 07:56

Support in the west is declining, and when Israel doesn't have weapons and defense funding they won't be able to defend against their neighbouring countries on their own. AIBU to wonder how much longer it can exist given they are losing support?

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WeWereInParis · 28/10/2023 08:23

Pugdays · 28/10/2023 08:20

Why is the UN not moving people out to safety,move out women and children and leave the men to fight ,or whatever they choose to do .

How would they do this, in the current situation? Across what border and into which country?

Zonder · 28/10/2023 08:21

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Well, millions of Jews and the residents of Israel just for a start.

I think it's more likely there won't be a Palestine soon.

Boomboom22 · 28/10/2023 08:20

Def not, the west have basically given Israel permission to do whatever they want. Especially Biden but all our party leaders too.

Pugdays · 28/10/2023 08:20

Why is the UN not moving people out to safety,move out women and children and leave the men to fight ,or whatever they choose to do .

tttigress · 28/10/2023 08:19

I think the media is making a big mistake continually highlighting the issue. They are actually increasing tension in the UK.

I try to watch as little BBC/Sky News/ Channel 4 news as possible. So maybe they are the things that will no longer exist.

Noicant · 28/10/2023 08:18

No I don’t think so.

It’s a lot more complicated than that isn’t it. Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad and Hamas are basically proxies for Iran. This is more than what happens in one country and each country in the area has it’s own interest, the USA is not going to stop supporting Israel because of this. They may encourage more restraint but they won’t withdraw support. The Abraham accords were about creating a bulwark against Iran. The GCC countries (with the exception of Qatar) and america see Iran and their proxies as a threat to regional stability and their own influence in the region. Americans have moved some pretty heavy duty war stuff close to Israel and they are probably keeping a keener eye on the gulf than usual.

The reality is the interest is probably primarily motivated by oil and gas (not because of money in and of itself but because our economies and lives rely on it).

Israel survived the 6 day war, it will probably survive this too, even if they are battered they will have the americans ready to intervene if they are attacked on their northern flank. Biden was pretty clear when he told external parties to not even think about joining in.

eyeoresancerre · 28/10/2023 08:17

@laladoodoo I agree - it's heartbreaking on both sides. God know how it will get sorted out.

laladoodoo · 28/10/2023 08:14

I totally agree and in no way am I condoning Hamas at all!
But how is the continuing retaliation towards innocent people helping in any way? And our leaders condoning and supporting it - it's frightening.
There should be a worldwide call for a ceasefire immediately and stop supporting a country currently partaking in mass murder.
Also - if the heavies of Hamas are in Qatar and the UK govt also support Qatar - where is the logic?!
My heart breaks for the terrified children - on either side of the border.

TheKeatingFive · 28/10/2023 08:14

The US is not going to abandon support for the state of Israel

Neriah · 28/10/2023 08:11

Staying well away from all the stuff more than adequately covered elsewhere... on what planet do you think Israel is losing support or that it will not continue to receive arms and defense support? Not happened. Not going to happen.

IveHadItUpToHere · 28/10/2023 08:09

Public opinion is irrelevant to foreign policy and arms manufacturers. Israel is strategically important to the US etc.

It's also bizarre to look at the current situation where Gaza is under bombardment; has no food or water or utilities and think it's Israel that will disappear.
It's Gaza that isn't going to exist.

eyeoresancerre · 28/10/2023 08:08

@laladoodoo are you saying no babies or children were murdered by Hamas 3 weeks ago? The situation is dreadful on both sides and many many many innocent humans have died on both sides of the conflict.

laladoodoo · 28/10/2023 08:06

TheThingIsYeah · 28/10/2023 08:04

Don't assume that purple haired people with Palestine flags in their twitter bios represent the majority of public opinion.

Yes because normal people support genocide of innocent babies. Confused

TheThingIsYeah · 28/10/2023 08:04

Don't assume that purple haired people with Palestine flags in their twitter bios represent the majority of public opinion.

Sixsixtysix · 28/10/2023 07:58

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