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To think Israel won't exist much longer?

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sergeantsalt · 28/10/2023 07:56

Support in the west is declining, and when Israel doesn't have weapons and defense funding they won't be able to defend against their neighbouring countries on their own. AIBU to wonder how much longer it can exist given they are losing support?

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Lecc · 28/10/2023 09:32

Hellostrawberries · 28/10/2023 09:27

Israel, thankfully, will never cease to exist. I'm heartened by these responses and the voting. Looks like this thread isn't going in the direction your hamas apologist head had planned OP!

People have voted that Israel will not cease to exist, do not conflate that with the notion that people are in any way in favour of Israel's actions. Genocide, nothing less.

Fleetingmoments · 28/10/2023 09:32

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NotSuchASmugMarried · 28/10/2023 09:31

Zzizzisnotzeproblem · 28/10/2023 08:40

Israel have shown everyone exactly who they are.

Indeed they have. Is that a good thing though? Or a bad thing?

Auvergne63 · 28/10/2023 09:30

eyeoresancerre · 28/10/2023 08:08

@laladoodoo are you saying no babies or children were murdered by Hamas 3 weeks ago? The situation is dreadful on both sides and many many many innocent humans have died on both sides of the conflict.

Well, to be precise, more Palestinians have died at the hands of Israel than Israelis at the end of Palestinians over nearly 80 years. The numbers are widely available.

Everythinghasgonetoshit · 28/10/2023 09:30

It depends if it escalates and the West get dragged in as well as other countries in the East.

If it does (and America seem really desperate for this due to their economy going to shit and them seemly always making money from war), then I can't see voters in the West being on board with it. They just don't want this to escalate, only our politicians do. So the West will go in showing support, sell their weapons and make their money and will withdraw once it becomes hugely unpopular wih voters and then leave Israel to go to ruin.

AgaMM · 28/10/2023 09:29

Hellostrawberries · 28/10/2023 09:27

Israel, thankfully, will never cease to exist. I'm heartened by these responses and the voting. Looks like this thread isn't going in the direction your hamas apologist head had planned OP!

Really? Supporting the innocent Palestinians makes someone a Hamas apologist?

Shame on you.

Noicant · 28/10/2023 09:28

I’m not sure that Israel can leave it now. You leave the tunnels and Hamas alone, in a few years you may have another horrifying attack on civilians. I mean it was just so utterly disgusting. The attack was designed to prompt a response from Israel. Hamas wanted this the sick bastards,

Unfortunately Hamas put their tunnels/weapons in precisely the places most people consider to be off-limits. From an Israeli perspective the only way to prevent another attack on Israel is to destroy everything that Hamas uses. They have made more effort to get civilians out of the way than is acknowledged but their first concern is Hamas not civilians. Hamas govern Gaza and yet have made no effort to protect their own civilians. It’s an odd thing when Israel is admonished for not looking after Gazans but Hamas are not.

Having said that I can’t imagine the terror Gazans are experiencing right now. Your home may well be gone, you don’t know where is safe, you don’t know how you are going to feed your kids, you don’t know if your children will survive this. I’d be fucking terrified right now. It’s all utterly horrific.

IncompleteSenten · 28/10/2023 09:28

The only way that will happen is if the USA goes down too, which I think is unlikely to happen in our lifetime.

Civilisations rise and fall and I am sure at some point the west will go the same way as all throughout history.

But not yet.

Hellostrawberries · 28/10/2023 09:27

Israel, thankfully, will never cease to exist. I'm heartened by these responses and the voting. Looks like this thread isn't going in the direction your hamas apologist head had planned OP!

Fleetingmoments · 28/10/2023 09:26

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Everythingnotsavedwillbelost73 · 28/10/2023 09:26

@AgaMM yes EXACTLY! It’s absolutely genocide and the fact that plenty on here seem to justify that is really shocking.

Iamacatslave · 28/10/2023 09:25

AgaMM · 28/10/2023 09:24

Cannot believe there are still people who are defending what Israel is doing.

This is a genocide. Any claim about rescuing hostages is bullshit considering the indiscriminate bombing of Gaza. Israel was given the perfect excuse and it took advantage of it.

Thousands and thousands of innocent men, women and children are suffering painful deaths and being blown apart. That is not a justified response to the terror attack by Hamas. With Israel’s technology, does anyone seriously believe Israel cannot locate its hostages and rescue them, and target Hamas without killing so many innocent people?

Israel will always exist, as it should at this point in time, but it’s Gaza’s future that is in threat right now and anyone who thinks this is justified is a shameful excuse for a human being.

this.

Velvian · 28/10/2023 09:25

Hamas is not a nation state. You cannot justify destruction of Palestian civilians with 'because Hamas...'

You cannot have a 'war on terror' that metaphor was proven to be meaningless a couple of decades ago now.

AgaMM · 28/10/2023 09:24

Cannot believe there are still people who are defending what Israel is doing.

This is a genocide. Any claim about rescuing hostages is bullshit considering the indiscriminate bombing of Gaza. Israel was given the perfect excuse and it took advantage of it.

Thousands and thousands of innocent men, women and children are suffering painful deaths and being blown apart. That is not a justified response to the terror attack by Hamas. With Israel’s technology, does anyone seriously believe Israel cannot locate its hostages and rescue them, and target Hamas without killing so many innocent people?

Israel will always exist, as it should at this point in time, but it’s Gaza’s future that is in threat right now and anyone who thinks this is justified is a shameful excuse for a human being.

piddocktrumperiness · 28/10/2023 09:24

Israel will continue to exist, of course, but its current way of doing things is not sustainable. It is supposed to be a safe haven of Jews but it is becoming less likely the case so the house of cards may fall.

It is in the interest of Bibi and the West to NOT have a two state solution, but rather to maintain the status quo- exertion of power, not peace

topnoddy · 28/10/2023 09:24

eardefender · 28/10/2023 09:20

You don’t want them to wipe out hamas. They have no choice israel didn’t ask for this was. Now they have it they have to win it.

Wiping out an entire population isn't really the answer is it .

They are not only targeting Hamas by carpet bombing an entire country

AdrianaLaCerva · 28/10/2023 09:22

That’s what Hamas want OP, but thankfully it will never happen.

Everythingnotsavedwillbelost73 · 28/10/2023 09:21

@eardefender There is a worldwide problem with Islamic extremist terrorism. Israel Is an important ally in that fight. Palestinians are not really welcome as refugees in other Muslim countries

Nice bit of casual islamaphobia here. Most Palestinians are not terrorists funnily enough 🙄

WonderfulCheese · 28/10/2023 09:21

Support in the west is declining? OK you've stated your position...

EasternStandard · 28/10/2023 09:20

Everythingnotsavedwillbelost73 · 28/10/2023 09:16

There’s a few people on this thread that don’t understand the difference between anti semitism and anti zionism.

What is your view on the existence of Israel?

Exist or not

Sugargliderwombat · 28/10/2023 09:20

eardefender · 28/10/2023 09:17

There is a worldwide problem with Islamic extremist terrorism. Israel Is an important ally in that fight. Palestinians are not really welcome as refugees in other Muslim countries. Other Muslim countries may pay lip service to the cause but have enough issues of their own. Israel has been normalising relations with many Muslim neighbours. Israel is a big power and many countries rely on its technology.

Do you actually know any Muslims? The ones i know would agree that extremists do not represent Islam any more than you do.

eardefender · 28/10/2023 09:20

topnoddy · 28/10/2023 09:05

So Israel are seeming being given carte blanche to virtually wipe out The Gaza Strip and we just say get on with it , do you need anymore bombs or rockets ? We can do you a good deal .

That doesn't sit well with me i'm afraid

You don’t want them to wipe out hamas. They have no choice israel didn’t ask for this was. Now they have it they have to win it.

Fleetingmoments · 28/10/2023 09:20

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eardefender · 28/10/2023 09:17

There is a worldwide problem with Islamic extremist terrorism. Israel Is an important ally in that fight. Palestinians are not really welcome as refugees in other Muslim countries. Other Muslim countries may pay lip service to the cause but have enough issues of their own. Israel has been normalising relations with many Muslim neighbours. Israel is a big power and many countries rely on its technology.

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