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To think Israel won't exist much longer?

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sergeantsalt · 28/10/2023 07:56

Support in the west is declining, and when Israel doesn't have weapons and defense funding they won't be able to defend against their neighbouring countries on their own. AIBU to wonder how much longer it can exist given they are losing support?

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PaperSky · 09/11/2023 21:01

HoldOnMiGenna · 07/11/2023 12:27

Why are the words " right wing" used as a perjorative vis a vis the Israeli government and even Nigel Farage, but the cultural, religious and political Right Wing nature of EVERY other country in the Middle East is not talked about perjoratively by those who pointedly subscribe "right wing" to the Israeli government?
And the right wing nature of Hamas makes the Israeli Government look like Jimmy Carter's Democratic government .
Considering the environment, it is Israel that has been very late to the hard Right Wing party and even then, Israel isn't culturally and socially right wing, so she still has some way to go in order to catch up to the countries that surround her.

People don’t know/pretend not to know what ‘right wing’ means.

They seem to think it’s synonymous with white nationalism or something.

Milkandhoneybees · 09/11/2023 20:22

Snitchyorwitchy · 06/11/2023 20:00

Indigenous populations indeed.
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If making that ridiculous argument, you might want to look at who was there first !

Are you referring to the people of Canaan, who Palestinians have strong genetic links with?

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/11802415_HLA_Genes_in_Palestinians_The_Origin_of_Palestinians_and_Their_Genetic_Relatedness_With_Other_Mediterranean_Populations

A lot of them were likely Jewish before converting to Christianity under Christian rule and/or converting to Islam during Muslim rule.

You can read more about them here (for lack of a more easily accessible website):

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians

Palestinians - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians

feralunderclass · 07/11/2023 17:56

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Eh, are you aware there are Jewish people outside of Israel? 🙄 The post specifically said America.

HoldOnMiGenna · 07/11/2023 12:27

Why are the words " right wing" used as a perjorative vis a vis the Israeli government and even Nigel Farage, but the cultural, religious and political Right Wing nature of EVERY other country in the Middle East is not talked about perjoratively by those who pointedly subscribe "right wing" to the Israeli government?
And the right wing nature of Hamas makes the Israeli Government look like Jimmy Carter's Democratic government .
Considering the environment, it is Israel that has been very late to the hard Right Wing party and even then, Israel isn't culturally and socially right wing, so she still has some way to go in order to catch up to the countries that surround her.

Jupitersstorm · 06/11/2023 23:30

Parkingt111 · 06/11/2023 22:46

You can read the full article in the guardian if you want
I'm assuming you don't know much about Itamir ben gvir and his inflammatory comments
And it's not just the UK, even Biden is seriously annoyed

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-officials-coalitions-west-bank-policy-rhetoric-harming-us-support-for-war/

I don't want. Thank you for the invitation.
I repeat , the UK Govt has not" called Israel out" - you said "And it's not just the UK." I live in the UK and the conservative government is in power.

And I'll be sure to give Joe a call to ask he is seriously annoyed or just annoyed.

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 06/11/2023 23:09

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What an upsetting world we live in.

Parkingt111 · 06/11/2023 22:57

@Jupitersstorm

To think Israel won't exist much longer?
Coughingdodger · 06/11/2023 22:51

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Parkingt111 · 06/11/2023 22:46

Jupitersstorm · 06/11/2023 22:33

What is the rhetoric you are describing.

Also - which western governments are calling this "rhetoric" out?

Your screenshot is about a party in opposition - not our Government who has certainly not called Israel out for any "rhetoric."

You can read the full article in the guardian if you want
I'm assuming you don't know much about Itamir ben gvir and his inflammatory comments
And it's not just the UK, even Biden is seriously annoyed

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-officials-coalitions-west-bank-policy-rhetoric-harming-us-support-for-war/

Jupitersstorm · 06/11/2023 22:33

Parkingt111 · 06/11/2023 21:51

Unacceptable and offensive rhetoric about palestinians by the Israeli government.
About time the western governments started calling it out
Many of the right wing in the Israeli government makes the likes of Farage seem almost angelic

What is the rhetoric you are describing.

Also - which western governments are calling this "rhetoric" out?

Your screenshot is about a party in opposition - not our Government who has certainly not called Israel out for any "rhetoric."

Parkingt111 · 06/11/2023 21:51

Unacceptable and offensive rhetoric about palestinians by the Israeli government.
About time the western governments started calling it out
Many of the right wing in the Israeli government makes the likes of Farage seem almost angelic

To think Israel won't exist much longer?
Alcemeg · 06/11/2023 21:45

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feralunderclass · 06/11/2023 21:30

Alcemeg · 06/11/2023 20:33

But you could also quote/share "Son of Hamas", urging us to back Israel against the danger of his own father's Hamas... We could go on for ever with this tit-for-tat social media point scoring.

You really couldn't go on forever, you'd be very hard pressed to find more than a few Palestinians that would call for a backing of Israel. On the other hand, the amount of Jewish people standing against Israel is growing. Jewish Voice for Peace said approx 40% of young Jews in America believe that Israel is an apartheid state.

Alcemeg · 06/11/2023 20:33

piddocktrumperiness · 06/11/2023 16:34

@calyrex Avigail is on many platforms though? And her story is the same, she's been advocating for peace for decades so I don't understand your hesitation
It's not like she's got a gun to her head when talking about this.

But you could also quote/share "Son of Hamas", urging us to back Israel against the danger of his own father's Hamas... We could go on for ever with this tit-for-tat social media point scoring.

Snitchyorwitchy · 06/11/2023 20:00

Oliotya · 06/11/2023 14:54

You're kind of right. Eradicating indigenous populations is a western government specialty.

Indigenous populations indeed.
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If making that ridiculous argument, you might want to look at who was there first !

piddocktrumperiness · 06/11/2023 16:34

@calyrex Avigail is on many platforms though? And her story is the same, she's been advocating for peace for decades so I don't understand your hesitation
It's not like she's got a gun to her head when talking about this.

calyrex · 06/11/2023 16:25

piddocktrumperiness · 06/11/2023 16:21

Can someone please watch this, ideally someone who is Israeli or Jewish and tell me what they think. This lady was in the IDF

Watch ErdoÄŸan's propaganda? No thanks.

EasternStandard · 06/11/2023 16:10

Oliotya · 06/11/2023 14:54

You're kind of right. Eradicating indigenous populations is a western government specialty.

Tbf there’s plenty of intent stated to try the same for Israel, not from the west

Oliotya · 06/11/2023 14:54

Jupitersstorm · 06/11/2023 14:36

Well I believe in the Western governments' sound views and principles in their support for Israel to eradicate a terrorist regime.

You're kind of right. Eradicating indigenous populations is a western government specialty.

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 06/11/2023 14:49

Jupitersstorm · 06/11/2023 14:36

Well I believe in the Western governments' sound views and principles in their support for Israel to eradicate a terrorist regime.

Terrorists carpet bomb indiscriminate hospitals, schools and homes.
This is not the act of a legitimate army.

The world has started to wise up to this

Jupitersstorm · 06/11/2023 14:36

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 06/11/2023 14:30

Anyone supporting the carpet bombing of homes, hospitals and schools doesn’t have sound views and principles.

Well I believe in the Western governments' sound views and principles in their support for Israel to eradicate a terrorist regime.

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 06/11/2023 14:30

Jupitersstorm · 06/11/2023 14:19

No I don't mean that.

I mean what I said: right minded governments.
adjective

  1. having sound views and principles.
  2. "it was evident to Jack and to most right-minded people"

And thank goodness we still have some.

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Anyone supporting the carpet bombing of homes, hospitals and schools doesn’t have sound views and principles.

Jupitersstorm · 06/11/2023 14:19

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 06/11/2023 12:58

You mean right wing minded Governments.
Not right minded 🤣

No I don't mean that.

I mean what I said: right minded governments.
adjective

  1. having sound views and principles.
  2. "it was evident to Jack and to most right-minded people"

And thank goodness we still have some.

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 06/11/2023 12:58

Jupitersstorm · 06/11/2023 11:31

Not a chance.

Israel will be there for good. In my humble opinion, they will ALWAYS have support for weapons and funding for defence as right minded governments realise what is really going on here.

Sorry to spoil the hopes of some posters on here.

Cue the vitriol...

You mean right wing minded Governments.
Not right minded 🤣