To think Israel won't exist much longer?

You will be eating your time, frankly.

Those who will believe already do, and those who don't will not be swayed.

this

Right, if I post videos from Facebook of rocket attacks in Israel this week, will anyone actually believe that Hamas are still attacking Israel or will I have wasted my time?

I'm afraid it's even worse than that.

"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object ..."

Yes, the Balfour Declaration, 1917.

You can find even earlier historical aspects of the aetiology, of course ... perhaps over millennia. But we should not forget the part British imperialism played.

It is many other things too, of course, but one of the things this conflict is is (yet another) shadow of the British Empire.

(Which does not at all help to solve the myriad problems, moral, political, military, practical .... But recalling this might assist in seeing the complexities, perhaps.)

Hear hear. "From the river to the Sea", is a perfectly acceptable antisemitic quote as well. The ignorance of those who seek to simplify the conflict, is astounding. As I say, their posts are always dressed in the non condonation of Hamas, BUT...

Good to see mnhq has deleted posts

@saffronsoup
I was just responding to the person who said all Israeli Arabs are actually Palestinians but they're all too scared to admit it. And that really isn't true. There are plenty of Israeli Arabs who aren't of Palestinian descent. I didn't like their implication that the term Israeli-Arab is offensive

You honestly have an extremely poor understanding of international politics and American foreign policy. Is the genocide in Gaza an appalling human tragedy, yes. But that has absolutely fuck all to do with foreign policy. Are there a number of posturing politicians in every country in the world, absolutely. But that has fuck all to do with foreign policy.

Outside of a massive, massive shift in global powers, Israel isn't going anywhere. The Palestinian people are pawns used by rival powers in a massive power struggle. So, to a lesser extent, are the Israelis. You are right that Israel isn't viable without foreign intervention and military support. But it's of military strategic importance to those who give it.

The fact is that hamas has good support in Gaza and elsewhere. They have thrived in Gaza. Where in Israel do you see glee at the death of civilian garzans and active street celebrations?

I can't tell if some posters on this thread are badly educated or are just outright liars.

TheKeatingFive · Today 08:14
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The US is not going to abandon support for the state of Israel”

This with knobs on.

Gaza, on the other hand.

Like fucking bollocks are you Jewish.

Completely agree

@laladoodoo

Many have died on the Palestine side, yes. UN stat
www.statista.com/chart/amp/16516/israeli-palestinian-casualties-by-in-gaza-and-the-west-bank/

I absolutely agree.

hamas doesn’t care about the lives of Palestinian citizens.
They’re quite prepared to sacrifice Palestinian babies (and anyone else) if it suits their agenda.

If israel didn’t exist then the region would probably be another Muslim country, with poor economics, poor infrastructure, an autocratic regime of rich men governing for decades, a lack of human rights, no rights for women and gay people at all. Internal strife. Terrorist factions. Refugees going to the west. A bit like the neighbours.

No, Israel will continue to exist as long as the US provides it support, which it always will (support for Israel is one of the few issues in America which gets cross party support), or until some rogue nation like Iran or Syria develops nuclear weapons, which God forbid never happens.

By the way, I hate Hamas and I hate Netanyahu's govt. My sympathies are with the innocent Palestinian and Israeli citizens on both sides who want to live in peace but are caught in the middle of these 2 groups of psychopaths.

Yet, if you say you stand with Israel, you are vilified.

No one in their right mind thinks what Hamas did and has done its acceptable. I wish for no harm to any innocent Israeli’s or Jews. I worry for Jews across the world as racist attacks are on the rise, might I add as they are for Muslims.

But what Israel are doing to innocent Gazan civilians is absolutely abhorrent. No power, no internet, no supplies. Hospitals and schools bombed. Israel will flatten Gaza and the west will do nothing as they are doing now. Beautiful children are getting hurt on BOTH sides and it is wrong, but it’s clear Israeli’s have a better chance of survival that Palestinians.

Take away the politics, no innocent people just trying to live their lives should have to suffer this way.

Hamas, the Israeli government, the US and UK government's have no regard for human life the whole lot of them are disgusting.

do people really think this conflict is simple and it’s just about mean Israel and Palestinian victims …please give it a rest.

tbf it’s not as if there aren’t any posters who think Israel are the victims and the Palestinians have no-one to blame but themselves (what with Israel having done NOTHING WRONG and all)

*Or disrupt international politics and relations.

especially the peace process between Israel and various Muslim nations.*

Quite. And they couldn't give less of a shit about civilian casualties, in fact the more the better for the purposes of disruption.

Or disrupt international politics and relations.

especially the peace process between Israel and various Muslim nations.

There are 2- 3 million Palestinians living in Israel, many as citizens - these people are being referred to and have been referred to as Israeli-Arabs. That is a fact. It has been written about fairly extensively. In surveys done with these Palestinians in Israel - about 2/3 continue privately to identify as Palestinian even though they can't do so publicly. The other third have accepted that the loss of their Palestinian identity is the price to pay for feeling safer and more accepted in Israel as Arab citizens and so they choose to identify as Israeli-Arab. However Israel refers to all these people (Palestinians citizens in Israel) as Israeli Arabs. The term is even being used in this thread and in others on this board when talking about Palestinians in Israel.

Again, these are facts. So denying them is really just ignorance.

Ah but is it factually correct though ?

No.