To think Israel won't exist much longer?

It’s really low and I’m sorry people are facing it on mn

Yet if the same were said about Palestinians, posters would be all over it like a rash.

I have unfortunately seen online memes laughing at and mocking the Palestinian deaths. From people I know in Israel. I think there are sadistic idiots on both sides.

What kind of government can one really have in an occupied territory

One whose raison d'etre isn't terrorism and the destruction of the neighbouring state and all who live there?

Great post.

My fervent hope is that the vile right wing coalition of Netanyahu will cease to exist and that there will be a ceasefire immediately.
How can more bloodshed of innocent children atone for the despicable actions of Hamas?
Hamas have been enthusiastically funded by that vile coalition for many years and nothing uncovered about the actions of the IDF, Mossad and Netanyahu could surprise me.
How disgusting is it that a large proportion of the hostages and the murdered Israelis were those in kibbutzim, traditionally more left wing, the festival goers and many of those taken were and are peace activists including Mrs Lipfschitz and her husband.
Meanwhile the settlers in the West Bank were not targeted.
How did the Israeli government fail it's people so badly?
Ceasefire now.

You clearly know nothing about history. Hamas don’t want peace they want to kill Jews, listen to them, watch interviews with their fighters and leaders. Believe them when they talk about how expendable their own people are.
I cannot believe you think hamas are justified to rape kill and burn indiscriminately. What is wrong with you?
do you know why they are classed as a terrorist organisation?
they have no just cause.
this is typical of lazy Jew hate that is sadly going around.
israelis did not grab land, they don’t occupy Gaza, they gave a thriving Gaza back to the so called Palestinians who quickly turned it into a shit hole.

The idea that you think anyone would believe you're Jewish is a sick joke. Fucking bullshit.

Oh you got me! I should have said WILL. Well done you.

Changes fuck all about what I said though - on a thread about whether Israel WILL continue to exist - it has now descended into some absolutely appalling racist hate speech (aka as detracting from the point of the thread) by the very person claiming we're detracting from the situation in Gaza, so in other words "be quiet Jews and stop calling out our antisemitism".

Can people stop throwing around accusations that other posters only care about Israel and ignore other conflicts. You do not know that to be true. You cannot possibly know, on an individual level, who has posted about or protested about what in the past, present or future. You won't see it here, because this is about Israel and Palestine. But don't make unfounded assumptions or accusations.

Agree with this.

They quoted you verbatim, leaving out many of the far worse things you have posted. Which everyone can read.

I have never seen someone glorifying in their own racist abuse to this extent on Mumsnet in the 15 years I've been on here.

It terrifies me that people like you exist and are proud of your despicable, appalling bigotry.

What kind of government can one really have in an occupied territory. Who do you think controls the borders (land, sea and air)? The Gazans have few rights and no power and are kept just on the edge of survival. Israel limits what can come in. There is no freedom of movement. One can not amass wealth or power in the degree required to take over and set up a government. When you strip people of their freedom, their autonomy, their rights, and in many cases even their basic needs - you have very angry, sad, and disempowered people. If Hamas was your only possible hope to maybe someday having freedom - what do they do? Even humanitarian aid going into Gaza from other countries is controlled and limited by Israel, so is the amount of water they can have, and they have not been allowed to build infrastructures that would improve their lives. Israel has more power and control over Gaza than Hamas does. Have you seen prison riots? When those held captive try to rise up and overthrow their captors, there is no way to do that without violence. Do you think A Gazan can just say to Israel, please let me out of Gaza and they will walk free?

I truly don't your reluctance or refusal to acknowledge Palestinians as people, as humans with as much worth and value as an Israeli life - and you once again deflect by changing the topic. It is so unfathomable to me that there is such sorrow for Israel but you look at Palestinian children and infants and see them as having had the autonomy to make other choices but that they chose death - to you their deaths are not even something you would speak against because you think they should have made different choices so you are indifferent to their death, pain and suffering.

It is a very cultish view. The refusal to see any other perspective other than what your leader has told you to think and say. To abandon critical thinking and fact and history - many pro-Israeli's on here sound very similar to those who are pro Hamas. A complete refusal to see any other perspective than we are right, they are wrong, we have done nothing wrong, they need to die. Israelis or Jews refusing to speak up against the atrocities in Palestine is no different from anyone not acknowledging the atrocities in Israel.

Disgraceful isn't it x

I certainly hope Israel doesn't stop existing.

I'm not blind to what the Israeli government has done in Palestine over the years. I'd always hoped for a two-state solution and used to be fervently pro-Palestine.

What happened on October 7th truly sickened me. If Hamas had attacked military targets in Israel, they might have had some legitimacy. But killing children in barbaric ways, raping women, kidnapping elderly and disabled people? And filming it all, posting their murders to the victims' Facebook pages? It's disgusting. It's inexcusable. I read about the footage the journalists saw of the atrocities and I wish I hadn't. Lots of people are calling them inhuman - but they are human. Humans are capable of that kind of depravity and that's what makes it so horrifying.

It's not Israel who should be losing support. Innocent people dying in bombings is tragic. Of course it is. What Hamas did went so far beyond that. I wouldn't want them as my neighbours! Doing nothing in response wasn't an option.

You are a horrific racist

This is the most disgusting, extreme, racist post I've ever seen on Mumsnet. Are MNHQ going to allow this poster to remain a member of this website?

No, the thread title asks if Israel WILL continue to exist. Nothing about whether it SHOULD continue to exist.

It's LITERALLY about no such thing, nor is that the thread title. It's about whether Israel will exist, not whether it should.

And obviously it will continue to exist, because it's got US backing and nuclear weapons.

I agree.

It’s Gaza that will not exist.

Pro-Israelis need not worry. Ultimately many more Palestinians will die than Israelis.

And the defence seems to be that the Israelis died by being individually attacked and cruelly murdered on the ground by Hamas, rather than having a nice civilised bomb dropped on their heads by the Israeli forces. In my eyes, all lives are equal and it is all horrific.