To think Israel won't exist much longer?

I don't agree with this at all. Israel is a democracy and a very mixed society who very often will disagree and argue openly and has different political parties. We have obviously seen this in the demonstrations re the supreme court proposals prior to this awful Hamas attack. Currently Israel has formed a cross party war cabinet.
Gaza is run by an autocratic, terrorist regime. You can see this in all the reporting. Can you find anyone who has been interviewed from Gaza who is allowed to mention Hamas? Hamas are very much in control.

These two sides i would argue are very very different.

I am not sure there is much comparison with NI. Conflict is sadly still alive and well and in jeopardy as the unionist side refuse to sit so there is no working government. There are still segregated areas and peace walls (about 46 i think). Security services are not safe at all as we have seen with the leak of their names and stations. It is a very very divided province where terrorism still exists on both sides. A police officer was shot in front of his child. NI is a mess. The GFA was a result of years of work on all sides and main paramilitaries wanting to talk and find peace although this split both sides. The glimmer of hope is the growing population voting for the alliance party which isn't affiliated with either side. Moderate centrist and made up of the many NI who don't really have skin in the game or a living memory of the troubles.
Even if Israel manages to neutralise Hamas the situation will continue for generations. I think that wall will need to stay up for a very very long time. God knows what the solution is.

Yes, you are right. WIth the sensitivities of this topic, I guess I should have elaborated further. These threads have a lot of emotion and words are quickly interpreted through those feelings and justly so given war is awful for all involved and many people around the world have been and are being impacted by this one. I doubt many of us truly have a full academic knowledge in that the number of posters on these threads who have research programs specific to the Israel / Palestine conflict are quite few, and finding neutral or balanced or multiple perspective or less biased viewpoints is a further challenge. I have done considerable academic reading on this mostly due to debating my father who is an academic in theology and who holds fairly strong views on this (and has travelled many times to Israel) however I would never say I have full knowledge. I am not even sure that is possible.

Hamas are obviously bigots, although they've also all grown up under oppression from bigots, which shapes their beliefs.

Israelis, and Jewish people generally, also have a history of oppression, which shapes their outlook similarly.

As for 'those who elect them' - they were elected in 2006. A tiny proportion of the current Gazan population voted for them. But many Gazans have been brought up seeing Hamas as defending them against Israeli aggression.

I said in an earlier post - both sides have been indoctrinated since birth.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy8ZMRdN9h3/?igshid=Y2NkYjk0MDhjYg==
this is also still happening and has been for years by illegal settlers. Why is no one asked if Israel and the illegal settlers should be condemned

@SoMuchSimpler
A bit like Hamas and those who elect them then?

Sometimes, I wonder about the understanding and knowledge, whether it's full academic university knowledge or weather its bbc and newspaper, in conclusion the more detailed the posts the better quality

(sorry @Defiantjazz , obviously I quoted the wrong person)
Don’t worry, that happens to me a lot for some reason

I have just read that an estimated million people have taken to the streets in London today- it’s taken over 2 hours for the March to cross Westminster bridge. That’s a lot of strong feeling against War and in support of the people of Gaza.

a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group

1. Israel absolutely are carpet bombing Gaza and targeting it indiscriminately.

2. They are guilty of collective punishment, which is a war crime.

3. they are using white phosphorus, which is a war crime.

4. They are slaughtering the old, the sick, the women, children and babies who have nowhere to escape to

5. The Israeli government and the IDF are war criminals.

I'll add:

6. Hamas (or at least their 'military' wing) are a bunch of murderous bastards.

Which of those can you possibly dispute?

(sorry @Defiantjazz , obviously I quoted the wrong person)

Which is the very definition of a bigot
What is?

Israel absolutely are carpet bombing Gaza and targeting it indiscriminately. They are guilty of collective punishment, which is a war crime, they are using white phosphorus, which is a war crime. They are slaughtering the old, the sick, the women, children and babies who have nowhere to escape to…

Pretty much all of that is true tbf.

Which is the very definition of a bigot.

Which of @Livinginanotherworld statements do you disagree with?

@Livinginanotherworld
We aren't buying what you're selling

Whereas you've got it valley sussed, eh. The rest of us are sheep. Ironic.

Wow, you really are brainwashed by the western governments aren’t you. Israel absolutely are carpet bombing Gaza and targeting it indiscriminately. They are guilty of collective punishment, which is a war crime, they are using white phosphorus, which is a war crime. They are slaughtering the old, the sick, the women, children and babies who have nowhere to escape to…..are you really ok with that ?? The Israeli government and the IDF are war criminals.

Well you must have seen the outcome of the vote on the truce yesterday
Even the UK abstained when previously they would have voted the same as Israel

@Parkingt111
However you will find that support for Israels ongoing slaughter is very much diminishing
Disagree. As with Brexit, I believe the vocal minority is just that.

Complicit? An incongruous word. This is an example of some seeing things black and white and others seeing grey areas. I don't want Hamas spreading their evil. I want them contained and eradicated. It is extremely sad that there are civilian casualties, especially those poor quad babies.

This ! Anyone not supporting a ceasefire and an end to the genocide in Gaza is complicit in this. The abused have become the abuser and will end up on the wrong side of history. The world will never forget these war crimes and ethnic cleansing.

I do mind the deaths of Palestinians, I just don't think the deaths are entirely Israel's fault. Hamas are hiding behind them and blocking a lot of them from leaving north Gaza. It has been known for years that terrorists hide in and under hospitals, schools etc. I think Israel has been pushed into an impossible decision.

I don't want more deaths on either side. I want peace. I want two states and as someone suggested earlier, for Jerusalem to be completely neutral and there for all.

I don't think Palestinians have brought it upon themselves but I likewise don't know what else can be done. I really don't know. It's utter shit and I have no answers. I just want the hostages (all of them, not just the ones they consider civilian) out and I want Hamas and their supporters eradicated.

I didn't let any mask slip - many of the posters on here are Jewish but not Israeli so I was being inclusive in that I was responding to people on this thread who may be Jewish and not Israeli. I have no idea why or how you took offence to that. Many people on this thread have said they are Jewish, inclusing some I earlier responded to.

Of course I know about Egypt. If I went into every nuance, these posts would be incredibly long. Most can understand the situation without needing to speak to every aspect. And if you have taken a look at the Rafah Gate - Israel has bombed it and is controlling the aid being allowed in and passage to and from there as well.

Israel is more important to the west than palestine is very very true. Hence the ongoing support for Israel's crimes.
However you will find that support for Israels ongoing slaughter is very much diminishing.
What is happening now has gone far beyond self defence and this view has steadily been increasing all over the world, even amongst many Jews (I'm sure you must have seen the Jewish voice for peace protestors in NYC last night)

Yes, I mind those deaths. Yes, I think it's collateral damage and no, I don't think it's fair.