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To think Israel won't exist much longer?

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sergeantsalt · 28/10/2023 07:56

Support in the west is declining, and when Israel doesn't have weapons and defense funding they won't be able to defend against their neighbouring countries on their own. AIBU to wonder how much longer it can exist given they are losing support?

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Auvergne63 · 21/11/2023 19:40

Stomacharmeleon · 21/11/2023 19:07

@Auvergne63 whilst I do not agree with terminology used and strongly oppose the dehumanising of any side in this Israel has a much more open policy with regard to what its media can report.

Can you imagine Hamas' thoughts on Israel and I have to say it a vast portion of the population of Gaza... think of how the body of shani louk was treated (not by Hamas by general populace). I doubt very much they speak about Israeli's and Jews in general by what we know.

The architect of Hamas Yahya Sinwar is
'1000% committed and 1000% violent, a very very hard man'

He is so focused ' he does see life beyond his eyeballs'

This is not a one way street. They just don't release as much or allow people to talk. Would you talk?

I really don't think it is about what the media are allowed to report but more a form of normalizing their genocidal ideology. In Israel, this falls on ground made fertile by decades of discourse dehumanising Palestinians.
It is worth pointing out that there are many, many Israeli who oppose what is happening but this not reported by the so called free media. Why not? I expect a democracy to encourage and support alternate views to be reported.
I am also aware what Yahya Sinwar said.
I feel the Gazans are too busy trying to survive to actually talk. Their voice is heard through what we witness and it is a powerful voice too.

OhHelloTheres · 21/11/2023 19:18

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 21/11/2023 19:16

Of course I’m not obsessed and if I’m using this current one but spot something a interesting about vegetarianism or nappies I don’t change my name just for that. But for sensitive subjects I will be careful.

I think that's very sweet and considerate of you. Not sure that kind of behaviour belongs on social media 😅

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 21/11/2023 19:16

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 21/11/2023 19:15

oo meant to say I wouldn’t use a username like HappyDays

Of course I’m not obsessed and if I’m using this current one but spot something a interesting about vegetarianism or nappies I don’t change my name just for that. But for sensitive subjects I will be careful.

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 21/11/2023 19:15

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 21/11/2023 19:14

If I’m on a thread about something sad…say the thread about the 4 missing boys I would use a username
e like. Happydays….. I know not everyone will notice, but I do.

Also I like my username to , I suppose, relate to the subject in some way.

oo meant to say I wouldn’t use a username like HappyDays

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 21/11/2023 19:14

Stomacharmeleon · 21/11/2023 19:09

@AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen that's odd. Why different user names?

If I’m on a thread about something sad…say the thread about the 4 missing boys I would use a username
e like. Happydays….. I know not everyone will notice, but I do.

Also I like my username to , I suppose, relate to the subject in some way.

Stomacharmeleon · 21/11/2023 19:09

@AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen that's odd. Why different user names?

Stomacharmeleon · 21/11/2023 19:07

@Auvergne63 whilst I do not agree with terminology used and strongly oppose the dehumanising of any side in this Israel has a much more open policy with regard to what its media can report.

Can you imagine Hamas' thoughts on Israel and I have to say it a vast portion of the population of Gaza... think of how the body of shani louk was treated (not by Hamas by general populace). I doubt very much they speak about Israeli's and Jews in general by what we know.

The architect of Hamas Yahya Sinwar is
'1000% committed and 1000% violent, a very very hard man'

He is so focused ' he does see life beyond his eyeballs'

This is not a one way street. They just don't release as much or allow people to talk. Would you talk?

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 21/11/2023 19:05

Parkingt111 · 21/11/2023 17:43

@AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen
I'm not sure what you mean lol
I was saying you are welcome im response to your thank you 😊

I thought you’d picked up on my other user name as we are both regularly on another thread .
I obviously Read this wrong 😉. But thanks.

Parkingt111 · 21/11/2023 17:43

@AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen
I'm not sure what you mean lol
I was saying you are welcome im response to your thank you 😊

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 21/11/2023 17:40

Parkingt111 · 21/11/2023 17:18

@AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen welcome 😊

Am I outed 🤣🤣or am I Reading too much into the comment Parking

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 21/11/2023 17:34

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 21/11/2023 17:33

Some info re opinion of conflict.
This yougov survey was taken 2-3rd November. So obviously opinion may have changed since then especially with the continued bombings and attacks on hospitals and schools , however even in early November
Its clear at that time opinion was fairly equal in terms of support.

apologies here it is

To think Israel won't exist much longer?
AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 21/11/2023 17:33

Xenia · 21/11/2023 17:08

Lots of deletions above
. Israel will have a long life. There are 67m of us in the UK and many support Israel as does the UK state, as does the US state. Israel is not going away, but hopefully Hamas is.

Some info re opinion of conflict.
This yougov survey was taken 2-3rd November. So obviously opinion may have changed since then especially with the continued bombings and attacks on hospitals and schools , however even in early November
Its clear at that time opinion was fairly equal in terms of support.

Auvergne63 · 21/11/2023 17:28

Jupitersstorm · 21/11/2023 17:03

It's a pure opinion piece and Israel has aright to defend itself and it is Hamas who won't release the hostages and continue to make their people disposable.

Just release the hostages and let your people get out of harm's way.

Israel is going to be around for a long long time.

I strongly advise you to look up the terms the Israeli government are using daily to describe Gaza.
"Erase Gaza. Don’t leave a single person there,” Mr. Golan said in an interview with Channel 14 on Oct. 15.
"It’s time for Nakba 2",Mr. Magal wrote on X on Oct. 7, a reference to the mass displacement and flight of Palestinians before and after Israel’s creation in 1948, which Palestinians refer to as the “nakba,” or “catastrophe.”
Calls for Gaza to be “flattened,” “erased” or “destroyed” had been mentioned about 18,000 times since Oct. 7 in Hebrew posts on X.
I could find many more examples to the kind of rhetoric used publicly (God knows what they say in private).
This has gone to far to be only about self defence. Of course Israel will exist for a long time. Gaza and the West bank? Doubtful.

Parkingt111 · 21/11/2023 17:18

@AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen welcome 😊

Parkingt111 · 21/11/2023 17:16

@Jupitersstorm the article does not state that Israel does not have a right to defend itself and neither have I said that.
The criticism is based on Netanyahu's role as prime minister

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 21/11/2023 17:16

Parkingt111 · 21/11/2023 07:31

For those interested this is a article in the guardian today which discusses the 16 years of Netanyahu in power and how his policies, attitude and corruption contributed in the mess we are seeing today

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/21/the-netanyahu-doctrine-how-israels-longest-serving-leader-reshaped-the-country-in-his-image

Interesting article.
Thank you for posting.

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 21/11/2023 17:15

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 21/11/2023 17:05

@Jupitersstorm Israel refused to accept the hostages Hamas tried to release before didn't they.

Yes.
Lets hope the new plans aren’t scuppered. I understand the Israeli Govn started meetings at 4pm today on this and their next strategies.

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 21/11/2023 17:13

Xenia · 21/11/2023 17:08

Lots of deletions above
. Israel will have a long life. There are 67m of us in the UK and many support Israel as does the UK state, as does the US state. Israel is not going away, but hopefully Hamas is.

Along with Netanyahu and his far right Government hopefully.

Xenia · 21/11/2023 17:08

Lots of deletions above
. Israel will have a long life. There are 67m of us in the UK and many support Israel as does the UK state, as does the US state. Israel is not going away, but hopefully Hamas is.

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 21/11/2023 17:05

@Jupitersstorm Israel refused to accept the hostages Hamas tried to release before didn't they.

Jupitersstorm · 21/11/2023 17:03

Parkingt111 · 21/11/2023 07:31

For those interested this is a article in the guardian today which discusses the 16 years of Netanyahu in power and how his policies, attitude and corruption contributed in the mess we are seeing today

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/21/the-netanyahu-doctrine-how-israels-longest-serving-leader-reshaped-the-country-in-his-image

It's a pure opinion piece and Israel has aright to defend itself and it is Hamas who won't release the hostages and continue to make their people disposable.

Just release the hostages and let your people get out of harm's way.

Israel is going to be around for a long long time.

Parkingt111 · 21/11/2023 14:34

@Stomacharmeleon the thread title is misleading in a sense. If you read the OP's later posts they clarify that they themselves are Jewish and what they meant in terms of what affects the war would have on Israel in the long term but I do see if that's what they meant it's not the best choice of words

Stomacharmeleon · 21/11/2023 14:31

@Parkingt111 you surely don't agree with the title of this thread?

Parkingt111 · 21/11/2023 07:42

It would also be interesting to know that if he no longer serves as prime minister then who would be the best candidate to take over?
Who would further a two state solution?

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