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To think Israel won't exist much longer?

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sergeantsalt · 28/10/2023 07:56

Support in the west is declining, and when Israel doesn't have weapons and defense funding they won't be able to defend against their neighbouring countries on their own. AIBU to wonder how much longer it can exist given they are losing support?

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/10/2023 08:22

"One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter."
Nelson Mandela

Sure, but Hamas are terrorists to everyone

Are you sure @OhHelloTheres?
Because I'm thinking of the many polls which suggest that the majority of Palestinians still back them, to say nothing of those screaming "Hamas! Hamas!" on the marches, the "put Isreal in the bin" posters and all the rest

Zonder · 29/10/2023 08:17

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Really not obvious. There are people who think like that. No way of knowing what you meant. Maybe ask for it to be deleted?

mollyfolk · 29/10/2023 08:13

Maybe be of interest The WHO’s statement on the Gaza made on Friday;

“Health workers who have stayed by their patients’ sides face dwindling supplies, with no place to put new patients, and no means to alleviate their patients’ pain. There are more wounded every hour. But ambulances cannot reach them in the communications blackout. Morgues are full. More than half of the dead are women and children.

WHO has not been able to communicate with its staff in Gaza, nor have other agencies. Furthermore, WHO is trying to gather information on the overall impact on civilians and health care.

WHO appeals to the humanity in all those who have the power to do so to end the fighting now, in line with the UN resolution adopted yesterday, calling for a humanitarian truce, as well as the immediate and unconditional release of all civilians held captive.”

https://x.com/who?s=21&t=XOSZzOBNbapYRApGrMaVGA

https://x.com/who?s=21&t=XOSZzOBNbapYRApGrMaVGA

SeeReality · 29/10/2023 08:05

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Zonder · 29/10/2023 08:03

The irony of your name there @SeeReality

Greedy Palestinians wanting to keep their homes and not move somewhere totally unknown eh?

SeeReality · 29/10/2023 07:55

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SomeCatFromJapan · 29/10/2023 07:28

@sergeantsalt To allay your concerns, the Republican forerunner candidates have all just pledged their ongoing support to Israel, as reported in the Guardian this morning.

Oliotya · 29/10/2023 05:11

OhHelloTheres · 29/10/2023 03:27

Since you're now back on the scene again, I'd still like to know what this means?

Thanks

I've never claimed to know the full truth. My whole thing on here has been me saying please question your sources! So I'm trying to get posters to question their sources but no one ever does. I mean, that anti-semitic poster from earlier - I randomly discovered where she got her "history of Palestine" from earlier with her story about how Palestinians took in two Jewish families each and in return they were locked out of their own houses. Do you know where that story is from? Mohamed Hadid's Instagram 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️ the same Mohamed Hadid who posted this the other day where he refers to all of Israel as occupied Palestine.

If you're going to assert that the figures from Palestine are wrong, that the UN are lying, you must have some actual evidence? Right? Or does the burden of proof only lie with those why disagree with you?
P.s. nobody believes everything Hamas says. Most do tend to believe the UN. You want to refute that, you will need to back it up with something substantial.

Gruntsandgroans · 29/10/2023 04:56

OhHelloTheres · 29/10/2023 02:55

There is context missing here - the people hiding in their dorms are doing so after disrupting a religious service in the morning by throwing eggs etc at them. There won't be any, or at least not many, videos of that as it was during the Shabbat service at Chabad, so no phones would have been present.

To use everyone's new favourite phrase, it didn't happen in a vacuum.

Well so long as they are keeping it proportionate eh? So someone throws eggs so deserves to be surrounded by people shouting death to Arabs? What do Israelis deserve when they prevent Muslim worshippers from entering Al-Aqsa?

I suppose they should have predicted that happening, when Palestinian kids throw stones they get 'arrested', held without trial, abused and tortured. They should have known that Israelis would think that the death sentence was the appropriate punishment for egg throwing.

OhHelloTheres · 29/10/2023 03:27

Oliotya · 28/10/2023 19:33

Of it doesn't matter, don't say it. But you did, didn't you? Why?

Since you're now back on the scene again, I'd still like to know what this means?

Thanks

I've never claimed to know the full truth. My whole thing on here has been me saying please question your sources! So I'm trying to get posters to question their sources but no one ever does. I mean, that anti-semitic poster from earlier - I randomly discovered where she got her "history of Palestine" from earlier with her story about how Palestinians took in two Jewish families each and in return they were locked out of their own houses. Do you know where that story is from? Mohamed Hadid's Instagram 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️ the same Mohamed Hadid who posted this the other day where he refers to all of Israel as occupied Palestine.

To think Israel won't exist much longer?
Oliotya · 29/10/2023 03:15

OhHelloTheres · 29/10/2023 02:59

It's not a falsehood. Just because you don't want to believe something doesn't make it a lie. And if you don't want to listen to propaganda, get off the internet. You make it sound as though you alone know the truth. Except you really, really don't. You quite clearly only listen to one side and have just admitted not to want to listen to the other side, and will therefore never know the truth.

Pot, meet kettle.

OhHelloTheres · 29/10/2023 02:59

SinnerBoy · 29/10/2023 00:37

Israel isn't deliberately killing a large number of people except for Hamas, and they don't have the stated aim of destroying Palestine.

That's an outright falsehood. Israel is willingly bombing civilian areas and is perfectly aware that they are causing mainly civilian casualties. They either don't care, or are happy that it's happening.

There have been more than 3,000 Palestinian children killed by Israel, so far. That's more than double the total number of Israelis murdered by the Hamas raiders.

As I've said, I'd rather take the word of people who know what they're talking about, rather than someone emotionally invested in repeating propaganda.

It's not a falsehood. Just because you don't want to believe something doesn't make it a lie. And if you don't want to listen to propaganda, get off the internet. You make it sound as though you alone know the truth. Except you really, really don't. You quite clearly only listen to one side and have just admitted not to want to listen to the other side, and will therefore never know the truth.

OhHelloTheres · 29/10/2023 02:55

Parkingt111 · 29/10/2023 00:26

There are also many videos circulating on social media right now with large mobs outside Netanya college in Israel shouting death to Arabs whilst Israeli Arabs have locked themselves in their dorms
The Police don't seem to be making much of an effort to disperse the crowd either

There is context missing here - the people hiding in their dorms are doing so after disrupting a religious service in the morning by throwing eggs etc at them. There won't be any, or at least not many, videos of that as it was during the Shabbat service at Chabad, so no phones would have been present.

To use everyone's new favourite phrase, it didn't happen in a vacuum.

OhHelloTheres · 29/10/2023 02:51

@Tealtoffee
"I believe they are deliberately bombing civilians- they know civilians are in the proximity of their bombs, it seems you believe their excuses. Sleep well" of course they know civilians are nearby - Hamas are known for firing rockets etc from schools and hospitals in order to then use the resultant deaths when Israel retaliates to get sympathy. It's a very effective strategy, as we can clearly see.

@NotSuchASmugMarried
I'd hope the Palestinians recognise them as terrorists - they're the ones being used as human shields. They're the ones losing their lives because of Hamas' actions

Akatsiya · 29/10/2023 00:51

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GlorianaCervixia · 29/10/2023 00:44

From the article provided:

"Wherever a Hamas target arises, the IDF will strike at it in order to thwart the terrorist capabilities of the group, while taking feasible precautions to mitigate the harm to uninvolved civilians," the military said on Wednesday, reiterating previous statements.

As I said above, that won’t be believed because many people have decided that Israel is inherently untrustworthy - there are even people insinuating in this thread that Israel delivers murdered their own civilians and blamed it on Hamas - but that’s what they’ve stated.

Human Rights Watch - the organisation who raised concerns about white phosphorus - have said themselves they have no idea if it’s being used for legal purposes or otherwise.

Akatsiya · 29/10/2023 00:38

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SinnerBoy · 29/10/2023 00:37

Israel isn't deliberately killing a large number of people except for Hamas, and they don't have the stated aim of destroying Palestine.

That's an outright falsehood. Israel is willingly bombing civilian areas and is perfectly aware that they are causing mainly civilian casualties. They either don't care, or are happy that it's happening.

There have been more than 3,000 Palestinian children killed by Israel, so far. That's more than double the total number of Israelis murdered by the Hamas raiders.

As I've said, I'd rather take the word of people who know what they're talking about, rather than someone emotionally invested in repeating propaganda.

Gruntsandgroans · 29/10/2023 00:34

GlorianaCervixia · 29/10/2023 00:17

Israel has said it has continued to bomb military targets in the south. They haven't been secretive about that. What they have said to Gazan civilians is that the north is not safe

I don't have any other information so I can't speculate. There is certainly no evidence that Israel is attempting to lure Gazan civilians anywhere in order to make it easier to kill them.

Why would they not have bombed the 'military targets' down south first and then asked civilians to move to the south if they were actually concerned about them? It makes little sense to tell everyone to move south to be safe(bearing in mind it is 1million people) then bomb the South. How were they expecting the bombs to dodge those million people that are crammed in on top of another million people? I mean at best it shows that there is actually no care there at all for civilians and at worst they are luring them to their death.

Parkingt111 · 29/10/2023 00:26

There are also many videos circulating on social media right now with large mobs outside Netanya college in Israel shouting death to Arabs whilst Israeli Arabs have locked themselves in their dorms
The Police don't seem to be making much of an effort to disperse the crowd either

Parkingt111 · 29/10/2023 00:20

GlorianaCervixia · 29/10/2023 00:17

Israel has said it has continued to bomb military targets in the south. They haven't been secretive about that. What they have said to Gazan civilians is that the north is not safe

I don't have any other information so I can't speculate. There is certainly no evidence that Israel is attempting to lure Gazan civilians anywhere in order to make it easier to kill them.

They have bombed Israeli designated safe spaces in the south
Ie the places it told the civilians to move to

GlorianaCervixia · 29/10/2023 00:17

Gruntsandgroans · 29/10/2023 00:08

Why have Israel told people to move South and then bombed the South? You say yourself they have made a lot of efforts to get people to move South, do you think they were luring them down there to make it easier to kill more people at once or what do you think the thinking behind it was?

Israel has said it has continued to bomb military targets in the south. They haven't been secretive about that. What they have said to Gazan civilians is that the north is not safe

I don't have any other information so I can't speculate. There is certainly no evidence that Israel is attempting to lure Gazan civilians anywhere in order to make it easier to kill them.