To think Israel won't exist much longer?

@SomeCatFromJapan Of course, but this kind of thing is not new. What is going on there that there is no trust in civilised processes of law and order?

I assumed you were aware of heightened tensions in Israel at the moment?

Would you like me to explain how Israelis are living at the moment? Everyone in Israel knows someone closely affected by the massacre on 7th October. Everyone is essentially living in bomb shelters. My nephews went to nursery this morning but they were all sent home because their city was hit by yet another rocket from Gaza. They live in "Israel proper", nowhere near the border to any Palestinian territory. There are protests all over the country - some in support of the government, others against. They are being attacked from Gaza, Lebanon and the West Bank all at once.

As I said, heightened tensions. People are in a constant fight or flight mode.

They acted wrongly. I'm not afraid to admit that.

I suspect things are a bit more fraught there just now than where you live, tbf.

@OhHelloTheres Expecting intervention from the police is a reasonable reaction. Resorting to violent threats and mobs is not a common response in any society, even with provocation. Normally, people consult with police and local authorities rather than taking the law into their own hands - that's how a level of tolerance and peace is maintained.

I'm not saying chanting death to Arabs is acceptable. Of course it isn't! I'm explaining why, adding some context so others don't think it's just a random hateful act.

They threw eggs at those praying and played loud Arabic music to disrupt the religious service. It's disrespectful and provocative beyond belief, but people still shouldn't be calling for death to anyone.

I thought we'd established three weeks ago that context is important, everyone kept telling me it was anyway. "Please understand why the Palestinians are celebrating the slaughter of Israelis". So if context is important, I am just here to provide some for this despicable act.

And I can assure you if someone was throwing eggs at me, I'd expect the police to take them into custody. It's not ok for anyone to be throwing things at people, it cannot be allowed to be normalised. That's not even taking into account wether or not it's a hate crime.

@OhHelloTheres We have some unruly teens who throw eggs, amongst other annoying behaviour. I assure you nobody in our community is surrounding their houses and calling for death.

I have seen the families of the hostages protesting on the news
Absolutely heartbreaking 💔

Another hospital told to evacuate
Where are they supposed to go? How are they supposed to move all the ill and to where? All the remaining functioning hospitals are full
This is heartbreaking

@OhHelloTheres thank you for your post
It's too far back I can't find it
About the eggs

No. Hamas begets violence.

Really illuminating

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/29/i-fought-house-to-house-in-gaza-i-know-force-alone-wont-bring-peace?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

@SomeCatFromJapan Thank you for posting that. Articulates clearly the mish mash of thoughts I’ve experienced.

I'm not sure why you've said that "according to you" Israel needs white phosphorus to see. I never said that. I said there are legal uses for it, one of which is illumination, and that Israel has denied using white phosphorus munitions in Gaza.

If you want evidence of Hamas stopping the population going South, Israel has released a phone call with a Gazan civilian saying he was unable to get through a Hamas road block. They've also released footage of trucks parked across the main road out, with a long line of cars stopped from leaving. The US state department has also said that Hamas has prevented foreign nationals from moving through the border to Egypt.

The Times of Israel: "In audio published by the Israel Defense Forces Thursday, an IDF officer can be heard calling on a man to head toward Khan Younis in southern Gaza.The man replies that Hamas is placing roadblocks with cars, and “just sending people back home.”
The Gazan also says that Hamas members are shooting at Palestinians attempting to leave the area."

ABC News: "To date, at least, Hamas has blocked them from leaving, showing once again its total disregard for civilians of any kind who are stuck in Gaza," Secretary of State Antony Blinken said in a televised interview Sunday."

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy21TN0NobP/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

It's a video on the IDF Instagram page if you'd rather not click on a link.

Edited to say sorry, I thought in your previous post that you said you didn't believe it, but actually you said you did 🙈

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/42f3f65c-75c5-11ee-9112-e87c82399f65?shareToken=30a21e45bc3070ce88877b18874383f4

Please post it. As I said before, I don't disbelieve that fact. Meanwhile, over 7000 Palestinians have been slaughtered and this will rise. This is ethnic cleansing. No ifs, no buts.

Ah, I see what you mean OhHelloTheres - I agree of course, and apologisse for misreading you

There is a recording of a conversation where a guy in Gaza confirms that Hamas shoot at those trying to leave Gaza, but I assume there's no point in me posting a link to it as no one will believe it anyway.

The proof is available though.

I suppose I should have been clearer - they are terrorists towards everyone, most of all the people they are meant to serve and protect, but not everyone is willing to acknowledge it. They have fuel for rockets but not the hospitals. They have food for hostages but not for their own people. They block their own people from leaving a war zone. They are terrorising their own people by using them as human shields.

I'm saying if you want to be unbiased, check what the UN have to say but also if UN Watch have anything to say in response.

You quite clearly have no interest in being even remotely unbiased and that's fine, we've been dealing with this for decades - your attitude is not new.

Oh and people do believe what Hamas say, hence Israel getting blamed for killing 500 people in a hospital parking lot that was fired at by PIJ.

I mean, I don't imagine they just threw eggs in silence? I imagine they were shouting obscene stuff. I'm just not sure there's video evidence of it as it was Shabbat and a religious service, so those who were attacked wouldn't have had their phones with them.

I didn't say it was ok to shout death to Arabs. I clarified it wasn't an unprovoked event. Just like the whole world felt the need to tell Israel on 7th October before Israel had a chance to start any kind of counter-offensive.

Israel has the 4th largest military capability in the world (thanks to the US mainly). We are told that they are using precision weapons (look at the footage of the bombs dropping; it's like day light) but, according to you, they need white phosphorous to see? They use it in the most densely populated region on earth. Do you know what this stuff does to flesh? It burns and carry on burning. You die in absolute agony. But Hamas....
Of course, the IDF are very considerate, warning 1,2 millions of civilians to get out. Where do they go? Gazza is very small. There is nowhere for them to go. What about the people in hospitals. the premature babies, the old and disabled? I would also like you to provide evidence of Hamas stopping the population going south ( I don't disbelieve it), I can provide evidence that the IDF have bombed them. and refugee camps ( well there is precedent for this). Yes but Hamas...
The Israeli government is now becoming what they despise and creating, by their actions, the next generation of Hamas terrorists. Violence begets violence.

It does

My whole thing on here has been me saying please question your sources!

And very wise too, but sadly the Twitter sewage still continues, along with (god help us) more slurry from Mondoweiss

It genuinely worries me that some seem to regard these as objective sources, but there's no accounting for taste