To think Israel won't exist much longer?

Why in a world where Islam started worldwide religious conquest of lands and peoples, followed by Christianity would "another country" gift Jewish people enough land to build a nation when Israel is historically Jewish? Why is the only Jewish nation in the world so contentious for so many when there is hardly a nation, much less any nation where religiosity is ingrained into its identity that hasn't been wrought by conquest and displacement?
Nobody who is "pro Palestine" or "anti Zionist" as a part of their political identity has ever been able to answer me this question on my three and a half decades of my asking it. Especially in light of Muslim and Christian conquest and forced conversion of lands and swathes of people crossing all continents, with Judaism the only Abrahamic religion where conversion is not an important tenet and any conversion is far from being as easy as with Islamic or Christian conversion.

Do people not know the chronological order of Abrahamic religions with Judaism being by far the oldest and Islam the youngest?
Would these same people suggest that the imperialist Islamism that has caused and still causes reactions all over the world, stop?
Or do Black and Brown lives only matter if a White/ Whitish person/ peoples can be blamed for their degradation?
I don't see the same gyration and attempted erasure when mixed Arab Muslim Sudanese oppress the indigenous Black African and Muslim Sudanese to the point of there being a far flung diaspora of Dinka people all over the world.
I do not see the suggestion that the Fulani bugger off to Saudi Arabia so that the murderous Islamism in Nigeria can ease off.
I haven't seen a trailer load of threads condemning Saudi destruction of a Muslim Yemen which is already one of the poorest countries in the world, even though any regular Brit commercial TV watcher cannot escape Gemma Chan and Ewan McGregor's faces begging money on behalf of aid for Yemenese people.
So when it's Brown against Black Muslim genocide and displacement or Arab against Arab Muslim genocide and displacement , all which make Israeli pushbacks against surrounding incursions from 1948 look like a playground fight....it's silence and no Muslim or "ally" cri de coeur about oppression or genocide, racism , no bawling about Brown lives not mattering and certainly no mention of there being as much of a racial heirarchy amongst Muslims as in The West and most certainly no mention of Muslims buggering off to Saudi Arabia, the better to live good in the land of provenance of their religion, the better not to experience Islamophobia or pushback against their presence near to anywhere or anywhere non Muslim? Or is victim blaming only a thing for Jewish people ?
Imagine typing so confidently as if the notion of ONE Jewish state in this world is up for debate or a reshuffle like a pack of cards, to be decided by non Israelis?
And then imagine how anti Semitism is so ingrained into the fabric of the world that one can type this suggestion and still choose to press "enter" with the caveat that nobody is to bite of their head in reply.
I'm not Jewish. But I will go to my grave thinking that anti Semetism is a Red Flag for anti Blackness, misogyny and homophobia ( internalised and not).....or at the very best, an ability to compartmentalise to the point of sociopathy.

But Israel has plenty of people of all those backgrounds and religions living there. They've not been forced to leave. Jews are not more important. Have you ever been to Haifa? Seen the Baha'i gardens? They're still there.

When I was in Netanya about 9 years ago I remember saying to a relative "it's so nice to see these builders stopping their work to pray without fearing persecution". They were Muslim. Meanwhile my synagogue in the UK has a minimum of four guards outside at any one time to allow us to pray safely.

Israel is multicultural, as it should be. As it hopefully always will be.

Yes Jews feel like the land should be theirs because of things like the temples having been built there. Isn't that also why Muslims think it should be theirs? Why is it only a problem when Jews say or think it?

And they are still buying homes on illegaly confiscated land.

Lovely bit of gaslighting and whitewashing over occupation and atrocities. Yes, it's so lovely that a small group of Muslims are allowed to pray without persecution. How very kind of Israel, the only democracy in the region 🙄. If you'd opened your eyes past the praying group and the Baha'i Gardens you might have seen the continuous human rights violations. And Palestinians didn't "leave", they were forced. This is a stated fact by UN and other organizations that Israel attempts to undermine for speaking the truth.

I would bet that the Israeli intelligence service have received credible information that they are.

Think about it. Attacking a hospital full of civilians doesn't give them any military advantage does it? So why would they risk their lives doing so?

@feralunderclass
"It's quite likely that Saxons lived on the land where my house is built now. Should descendants of Saxons from America come now and legitimately claim my home? These are the homes of individual people here you are talking about that have been taken."

Jews didn't come and claim homes. They bought land, then lived on that land. Would you let someone else live in your house rent free if you wanted to live there yourself?

But Israel has plenty of people of all those backgrounds and religions living there. They've not been forced to leave. Jews are not more important. Have you ever been to Haifa? Seen the Baha'i gardens? They're still there.

When I was in Netanya about 9 years ago I remember saying to a relative "it's so nice to see these builders stopping their work to pray without fearing persecution". They were Muslim. Meanwhile my synagogue in the UK has a minimum of four guards outside at any one time to allow us to pray safely.

Israel is multicultural, as it should be. As it hopefully always will be.

Yes Jews feel like the land should be theirs because of things like the temples having been built there. Isn't that also why Muslims think it should be theirs? Why is it only a problem when Jews say or think it?

OhHelloTheres · Yesterday 02:59

About 8,000 dead Palestinians, mostly civilians and including more than three thousand children and to you, Israel aren't killing large numbers of people.

Come on! Please argue honestly.

It's quite likely that Saxons lived on the land where my house is built now. Should descendants of Saxons from America come now and legitimately claim my home? These are the homes of individual people here you are talking about that have been taken.
AFAIK Jewish people believe the land of Israel was promised to them by God, therefore it is rightfully theirs? That is forcing everyone else to accept this as a religious ideology - which is grossly unfair. Why should Muslims, Christians and Bahai's be forced to leave when they have been living there for thousands of years? Why is one ethno religious group more important than others to the extent that is causes ethnic cleansing? Why should that be acceptable? I'm asking that genuinely here, because that is the root problem.

Why in a world where Islam started worldwide religious conquest of lands and peoples, followed by Christianity would "another country" gift Jewish people enough land to build a nation when Israel is historically Jewish? Why is the only Jewish nation in the world so contentious for so many when there is hardly a nation, much less any nation where religiosity is ingrained into its identity that hasn't been wrought by conquest and displacement?
Nobody who is "pro Palestine" or "anti Zionist" as a part of their political identity has ever been able to answer me this question on my three and a half decades of my asking it. Especially in light of Muslim and Christian conquest and forced conversion of lands and swathes of people crossing all continents, with Judaism the only Abrahamic religion where conversion is not an important tenet and any conversion is far from being as easy as with Islamic or Christian conversion.

Do people not know the chronological order of Abrahamic religions with Judaism being by far the oldest and Islam the youngest?
Would these same people suggest that the imperialist Islamism that has caused and still causes reactions all over the world, stop?
Or do Black and Brown lives only matter if a White/ Whitish person/ peoples can be blamed for their degradation?
I don't see the same gyration and attempted erasure when mixed Arab Muslim Sudanese oppress the indigenous Black African and Muslim Sudanese to the point of there being a far flung diaspora of Dinka people all over the world.
I do not see the suggestion that the Fulani bugger off to Saudi Arabia so that the murderous Islamism in Nigeria can ease off.
I haven't seen a trailer load of threads condemning Saudi destruction of a Muslim Yemen which is already one of the poorest countries in the world, even though any regular Brit commercial TV watcher cannot escape Gemma Chan and Ewan McGregor's faces begging money on behalf of aid for Yemenese people.
So when it's Brown against Black Muslim genocide and displacement or Arab against Arab Muslim genocide and displacement , all which make Israeli pushbacks against surrounding incursions from 1948 look like a playground fight....it's silence and no Muslim or "ally" cri de coeur about oppression or genocide, racism , no bawling about Brown lives not mattering and certainly no mention of there being as much of a racial heirarchy amongst Muslims as in The West and most certainly no mention of Muslims buggering off to Saudi Arabia, the better to live good in the land of provenance of their religion, the better not to experience Islamophobia or pushback against their presence near to anywhere or anywhere non Muslim? Or is victim blaming only a thing for Jewish people ?
Imagine typing so confidently as if the notion of ONE Jewish state in this world is up for debate or a reshuffle like a pack of cards, to be decided by non Israelis?
And then imagine how anti Semitism is so ingrained into the fabric of the world that one can type this suggestion and still choose to press "enter" with the caveat that nobody is to bite of their head in reply.
I'm not Jewish. But I will go to my grave thinking that anti Semetism is a Red Flag for anti Blackness, misogyny and homophobia ( internalised and not).....or at the very best, an ability to compartmentalise to the point of sociopathy.

Why should Jews have to leave land they've been present in for thousands of years, land that is holy to them, just because the other side are shouting louder? It's not just about a land, it's also about the land.

Don't jump on me with terrible...oh how crazy etc but is there anyway another country could gift land to Jewish people

Well Israel allegedly know where the Hamas HQ are in underground tunnels, but they are still bombing residential areas and we've yet to see a single attempt of them going after, well, Hamas.

I am sure they would know... Re hospital.

I would bet that the Israeli intelligence service have received credible information that they are.

Think about it. Attacking a hospital full of civilians doesn't give them any military advantage does it? So why would they risk their lives doing so?