Internet and phones out in Gaza, ground invasion imminent

I can see from the Israeli perspective that it dampens communication between hamas members. But the toll on normal people will be immense, not being able to access information (whats happening, where, are your family and friends ok, calling for help) is going to be awful. People must be terrified.

Also agree dragging the holocaust into this furthers nothing except to have a pop at Jews who will have a diverse range of views on all this.

No I agree it's not either/or

It's AS WELL AS....this won't be forgotten

I don’t think Israelis realise that it’s not the holocaust that people will remember as part of Jewish history but the genocide of Gaza. Shame on Israel.

What a horrible thing to say.

Wiping the extermination of 6 million people out of memory would be shameful and dishonest.

Things are not either / or.

I will not defend the actions of the Israeli Gvt, but the holocaust was against Jews for being Jewish. Nothing to do with their nationality or a battle for land or territory.

The point has been made that if Israel stop to get hostages back from Hamas, it will mean that more hostages will be taken by Hamas.

They don't give a crap about Palestinian civilians either.

The civilians are being used like pawns. Israeli military telling them to run South before they are bombed. Where are they supposed to go? And Hamas who they voted to represent them don't give a shit about them either. Sickening.

@SaintMarie Ukraine war has shown the West to be utterly devoid of morals and was quite clearly backing the horse that would rain on Russia's parade, and not because they cared about the plight of the people in the war.

Well reports on Israel tonight look like it's getting a bit of bombing too...

Only a matter of time really

Are we okay with doing conspiracy theories now? That's not getting deleted any more?

Hamas are "ready" for the ground invasion per the Guardian.

Well, yes, this is entirely logical. Judging by their subsequent determined and ruthless actions I'd say this is the most likely scenario, particularly with a new ultra nationalist government in place.

*And was then seen to medically afterwards. You're not going to have people willingly come with you, generally, and there were worse scuffles that led to shootouts.

Though at least they weren't amongst the ravers that had the IDF using them as shields and shooting wantonly into the crowd in panic.*

If you are trying to get me to approve of anything to do with Hamas, it isn't working.

There are no words for this. Just what would you do? It all feels so hopeless

Just as we are reminded Palestinian people are not Hamas, we need to be reminded that the Israeli people are not their government.

Many Israelis are horrified by what’s happening, I’m sure many of them ‘realise’.

Innocent civilians are innocent civilians, on both sides of the ‘fence’.

I watched a video a few days ago of a family going back to their home in Gaza because there was nowhere else to go. They said if they were going to die they’d die together, in their homes with dignity. I can’t get them out of my head.

Israel claim that Hamas have supplies in their tunnels.
Hamas don't care about civilians and are using their deaths so the world will be anti Israeli.
Civilians voted for Hamas.

But none of the above matters. Unless civilians are carrying arms, they should not be targets in a war.

I still don't trust them. Why should I, after what they did on Oct 7? The hostages may have been cared for once they got to the tunnels but let's not forget that the 85 year old was beaten with sticks beforehand.

60,000 displaced people sheltering at the Al Shifa hospital

Will it still be there by morning? No. Not likely
Horrific

I don't trust anything that Hamas says, tbh. But if all talks are now off, that is very disappointing.