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Gaza has gone dark ... and I am very afraid!

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HeidiInTheBigCity · 27/10/2023 19:14

Tonight, as Gaza has gone dark, tonight, as Gazan civilians have lost that lifeline that used to be "publishing their cries for help to the Internet, as they were literally dying", tonight, as even that option has ceased to exist!

I STAND WITH CIVILIANS!

Not with Hamas!
NOT with the ultra-far-right Israeli government - out for revenge!

Tonight, I STAND WITH CIVILIANS, as innocent men, women and children are dying, collectively punished, for the crime of having been born in the wrong place, at the wrong time!

Tonight, I STAND WITH CIVILIANS, as the families of Israeli hostages watch helplessly, as their missing loved ones are bombed into oblivion, and their own PM has not even bothered to meet with them! Because, once again, revenge has won! Violence has won! Barbarism has won! Death has won!

Tonight, I stand with my friend, a Palestinian-born [what he does for a living] currently getting drunk at a bar in [not where you'd expect] - because he cannot stand watching anymore! We cried together on the phone - it felt nice to know there was someone else out there - but it also felt supremely disempowered and helpless! Tonight, I stand with men, women, boys, girls ... just people, people who want to live!

Tonight, as I recall how utterly terrified I used to be when I, myself, became an accidental witness to the assault on [Palestinian city], some 20 years ago now! I also recall the good times: I recall standing on the rooftop of the [name] family's home, watching flares in the sky, deliberately pretending they were just very bright stars, kissing, and dancing with my fiancé. Snuggling up to him under the wide open sky, as we ignored the sound of shooting in the background, as we just wanted to ... live a little! ... under circumstances that didn't leave much room for living. For life! Knowing we would learn about names of people we knew and the fact that they had been killed while we had been trying to ... just live a little ... as the following day would break!

Tonight, I stand with civilians, realising that this particular, comparatively "fluffy" version of war - a version, make no mistake, that has left me deeply traumatised for life, bittersweet memories aside! - this is just NOT AN OPTION for Gazans tonight!

Tonight, I CRY FOR CIVILIANS! Especially, but not only, for civilians in Gaza!

We have GOT TO DO better!

Note: yes, I have censored a number of data points - because that is how afraid I am! I am not willing to potentially expose people I consider friends, family even, unnecessarily as I, frankly helplessly, post to the so-called Internet, pleading for their lives or, at the very least: sympathy!

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Parkingt111 · 27/10/2023 23:24

Heelenahandbasket · 27/10/2023 23:20

Also @Itsaharddlife no one said they “would be considered terrorists” if they stayed. That’s just something you made up

That's actually not made up
It was widely reported on major news channels that Israel dropped leaflets saying that those who remain would be considered as terrorists

Daftmum47 · 27/10/2023 23:24

we have a greater moral accountability in this conflict because Palestine was a British Mandate until 1948.

Ukraine are reportedly taking care not to target civilians, who knows what the truth is.

Furthermore it’s mass murder because for some time Gaza has been an open air prison, with the Israelis controlling what goes in or out down to the number of calories, or type of condiment.

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 27/10/2023 23:23

mollyfolk · 27/10/2023 23:09

Please explain how the Israeli authorities are targeting Hamas right now? How are you justifying this? How is it not collective punishment? It wouldn’t be ok for any country in the world to do this. Honestly, I grew up in Northern Ireland and to me this seems like the equivalent of Britain bombing catholic areas because the IRA committed atrocities in Britain.

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Yes exactly. I literally used this exact analogy this evening to try to explain my (limited) knowledge to my son.

Itsaharddlife · 27/10/2023 23:22

Heelenahandbasket · 27/10/2023 23:19

its not a war crime at all to advise people to leave an area for their own safety. Quite the opposite. What international law do you think that is in violation of?

Advise?? Haha
They have no where to go? Do you realise how big or shall I say small gaza is?
Telling a population if 1 million to leave within 24 hours, with almost no where to go and then bombing the few that are trying to leave, yes that is a war crime.
Indiscriminately bombing civilians and wiping out wntire families is considered a war crime.
Taking hostages is also a war crime. Hamas took hostages and now Israel has arrested almost 10,000 Palestinians and is currently torturing many of them in administrative detention without access to legal representatives. That is a war crime

SaintMarie · 27/10/2023 23:21

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Igotjelly · 27/10/2023 23:20

Have reported this thread, the misinformation, antisemitism, genocide and war crime denial and outright nastiness is achieving absolutely nothing but causing harm.

Heelenahandbasket · 27/10/2023 23:20

Also @Itsaharddlife no one said they “would be considered terrorists” if they stayed. That’s just something you made up

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Heelenahandbasket · 27/10/2023 23:19

Itsaharddlife · 27/10/2023 23:14

No war crimes??
I think your the one lying now, or perhaps just delusional
Telling 1 million Palestinians to leave the north and if they don't they will be considered terrorists. But leave and go where?? But i guess it's ok because they warned them

its not a war crime at all to advise people to leave an area for their own safety. Quite the opposite. What international law do you think that is in violation of?

Itsaharddlife · 27/10/2023 23:18

Heelenahandbasket · 27/10/2023 23:15

Please explain why you think this war is “mass murder” yet other wars are not? Why are you not so concerned about the effect of the Ukraine war on the civilians in Russia? Why is the deaths of Russians not “mass murder”?

We can talk about that but this thread is about israels wars against Palestinians. So that's why were discussing that.
You're welcome to make a similar thread for all the other conflicts

Daftmum47 · 27/10/2023 23:18

Sorry, HRTFT, but why would Iraq abstain?

SaintMarie · 27/10/2023 23:18

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BrokenBrit · 27/10/2023 23:17

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I have never seen anyone with such astonishing lack of empathy, humanity or common decency post on here before.
As for your completely false and libellous accusations that I am antisemitic because I care about Palestinian children being murdered that is one of the most ludicrous things I’ve ever heard.

Itsaharddlife · 27/10/2023 23:17

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Bloody sick of this
Criticising Israels government does not make someone antisemtic! You need to grow up

SaintMarie · 27/10/2023 23:16

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Heelenahandbasket · 27/10/2023 23:15

Cadenza12 · 27/10/2023 23:12

I'm at a loss to understand why attempts are not being made to halt this war, which is looking more and more like mass murder. If nothing else vested interest should demand a ceasefire before the whole region ignites. Then what?

Please explain why you think this war is “mass murder” yet other wars are not? Why are you not so concerned about the effect of the Ukraine war on the civilians in Russia? Why is the deaths of Russians not “mass murder”?

Wolfen · 27/10/2023 23:15

@duchiebun what do you mean?
There are many options
Encourage a ceasefire.
Negotiate peace talks.
Stop the massacre of thousands of innocents.
Hold both terrorists and war criminals to account

SaintMarie · 27/10/2023 23:15

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Itsaharddlife · 27/10/2023 23:14

Heelenahandbasket · 27/10/2023 23:03

There is no war crimes or carpet bombing. Lying doesn’t help anyone. It’s a war, which is awful of course, but Israeli is defending itself which it is entitled to do like every other country.

No war crimes??
I think your the one lying now, or perhaps just delusional
Telling 1 million Palestinians to leave the north and if they don't they will be considered terrorists. But leave and go where?? But i guess it's ok because they warned them

MatthewsMumFromTikTok · 27/10/2023 23:14

Hey @Heelenahandbasket aren't you worried about those hostages getting bombed to fuck?? No??

I thought this was all about getting them released?

Igotjelly · 27/10/2023 23:14

passiveaggressivenonsense · 27/10/2023 23:11

Today Britain voted against a ceasefire in the UN . 120 voted to stop the massacre and 14 voted for it to continue, Britain appears to be in the minority which believes resolution comes from the mass punishment of 2 million Palestiniens.

This is untrue, they abstained which is very much not the same thing.

SaintMarie · 27/10/2023 23:14

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SeeReality · 27/10/2023 23:13

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Heelenahandbasket · 27/10/2023 23:07

The shifra hospital in Gaza city is known and acknowledged as being a major centre of Hamas operations. I saw this reported on over a year ago.

are you talking about that hospital or the hospital that was hit by a rocket a few days ago? You need to stick to facts and get away from hate and misinformation

The irony of accusing somebody of spreading misinformation having just denied that Israel have committed war crimes and referring to genocide as a war. You may be happy to watch an entire country wiped from the map in the name of self defence but no human being with a moral compass would be.

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