Israeli Hostage describes IDF killing Israeli civilians

Have you ever heard of Theresienstadt, also known as Terezin? It was a model camp set up by the Nazis, to prove to outsiders (including Red Cross inspectors) that the imprisoned Jews were being treated well. Inmates were even forced to write postcards to their friends and family outside of the camp, to assure them the Nazis were taking care of them. Many of the Terezin inmates were sent to the "family camp" at Auschwitz, designed to show to anyone who came to investigate, to prove that the inmates were being treated well.

So think about that, when you're sharing your links from ElectronicIntifada, and Mondoweiss.

That is a very good point, I have read that Thailand is trying to secure release of Thai hostages through their own diplomatic back-channels. Confidence that Israel’s government will be able to secure the release of hostages is getting lower every day so I can’t really blame them or other governments of foreign hostages either.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/thai-muslim-politicians-held-talks-with-hamas-in-iran-seeking-hostage-release/ar-AA1jljn1

Yes like any other group of people Israelis will have various views on this. Plus of course some hostages and their families are not Israeli.

Yes, many hostage families also think the no cease fire until the hostages are released is the correct path. I was adding on to what you posted to show there is a variety of views amongst the families of the hostages and to answer the question of trulywonderful who asked aren’t the families worried about the bombs/crossfire accidentally killing the hostages?

The families are not all unified behind one best path they think Israel should take to get the hostages home. They do all seem to think that the current Likud government should not stay in power/is doing a terrible job.

I posted the link on here yesterday. Many hostage families had made a blockade and were saying they refused to move until the Israeli PM declared he would not agree to a ceasefire.

Which we all found confusing be he had already said as much several times over the weeks. So maybe they had been told something that made them think he was backing down.

Shortly after they blocked a road leading to I can't remember where he came out and declared again there wouldn't be a ceasefire.

If you scroll back you can find my link. Else just Google.

Many of the families of the hostages have expressed concerns over the IDF tactics endangering their loved ones.
“TEL AVIV, Israel, Oct 28 (Reuters) - The families of Israeli hostages held by Hamas in the Gaza Strip have been racked with worry for their loved ones since the military stepped up ground assaults inside the Palestinian territory, a group lobbying for the families said on Saturday.
"This night was the most terrible of all nights ... against the backdrop of the major IDF (Israel Defense Forces) operation in the Strip," the Hostages and Missing Families Forum said in a statement.

It said that the hostages being held by Hamas were being subjected to the same heavy bombardment as Palestinian residents and that their families were racked with "anxiety, frustration" that Israel's long-awaited ground invasion will put them in more danger.”
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/anxiety-racks-israeli-hostage-families-army-assaults-gaza-2023-10-28/

While Hamas doesn’t always keep deals, there was a very successful prisoner exchange between them and Israel in the past, which is why some families supported the prisoner exchange proposal from Hamas. This one in 2011 had widespread support from the Israeli public- 79%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilad_Shalit_prisoner_exchange

I think the families of most the hostages understand that Hamas broken every deal they ever made. The families know more about the conflict than most people too. Plus a lot will know what happened when the loved ones were taken thanks to Hamas filming the events and sending videos or themselves being there when it happened

I think we need to not criticise or question the response of hostages families too. They are entitled to their own feelings about what is happening.

Full Interview including English subtitles.

I have just read. He has said today again about the ceasefire not happening until the hostages are released. Presumably this was after the families blocked the road.

All a bit odd really but I suppose a lot is going on and being sathat we will never know

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/families-of-gaza-hostages-block-road-near-idfs-tel-aviv-hq-demand-pm-vow-no-truce/

Yes I did think he had said this previously. Maybe they think he is going to cave under pressure from other countries. Else maybe they have been told negotiations for a ceasefire will mean not all the hostages are released. I really don't know.

However appreciate they plan to block the road until he agrees that their will never be a ceasefire unless all the hostages are released.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu publicly declares that “there is no ceasefire without the return of all the captives.”

That has already been said though, several times.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-no-temporary-ceasefire-without-our-hostages-released-no-fuel-into-gaza/#:~:text=Netanyahu%3A%20No%20temporary%20ceasefire%20without,The%20Times%20of%20Israel

After holding a press conference earlier today that featured former Supreme Court chief justice Aharon Barak, families of hostages held by Palestinian terrorists in Gaza gather in front of the gate of the Kirya military base in Tel Aviv, blocking a road.

The families announce they intend to stay at the entrance to the Kirya, which houses the IDF’s headquarters, until Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu publicly declares that “there is no ceasefire without the return of all the captives.”

Yes, a few weeks ago there was a poster telling us with no sense of irony that we should be reading Asa Winstanley's book to educate ourselves.

Seconded

Should she be kissing these monsters feet in gratitude then?

If you saw or read the whole interview this is only part of what she said. Therefore ridiculous to quote. Please find the full version it is available.

FWhat she and her daughter said in the full interview was the lady had been badly punch by the person that took her. This blow left her in a lot of pain. Th.at on the way to where they were being keep she was put over the back of a motorbike. Then drove through men either side of her. They hit her with sticks as she passed them. Later she hate walk through tunnels a very long way. Then each of the hostages (She was only kept with 25 others) were given their own gaurd to keep them safe. This guard was there to make sure there needs were met etc. The guard told her he was being paid 10k and getting an apartment in Haza city for doing this.

The reason the a single well paid guard was assigned is firstly because Hamas needs to keep some hostages alive and in good health. This is to fool the useful idiots in the west that Hamas are not that bad. Secondly it is a known psychological trick. Hostages being frightened and not in control will bond with the person holding them. This is a way of the human brain being able to cope with being held hostage.

The poor woman was taken, beaten with sticks and held against her will. Please do not try to say well she was ok because she was not. Plus Hamas took babies and children too.

If someone took your kids and didn't return them for days. You didn't know if they were dead, alive or getting tortured. However once bad it turned out during that time they had a trip to Disneyland. Would you say oh well they treated the kids well, these people aren't that bad?

Seriously!

That electronic intifada website is horrifically antisemitic propaganda, not a serious journalistic endeavour. If that's the sort of shit people are linking to these days then I despair.

As for "oh they treated the hostages well" what, when they took them hostage away from their families while raping, torturing and murdering a bunch of other people? Yeah, they're great, aren't they?

This is the most ridiculous post I've ever read on MN, and there have been so many contenders.

I suppose you expect her to leave them a 5 star TripAdvisor review.

Taking someone hostage is putting them through hell regardless if they had their physical needs met!

That should say 7th October

Sorry I had a long day at work and my brain is frazzled

This is a pretty pointless argument really. The fact is nobody would have died on the 8th October if Hamas had not attacked

Yes maybe there were some terrorists that took care of their captives. One hostage has said that each hostage was given a person guard. These guards made sure all their needs were met. The lady also said they had ben told they would get 10k and an apartment in Gaza city for doing this. Hence I am not surprised they took care of some of the hostages. This was a deliberate thing Hamas has set up to fool western idiots that they are good guys. Trust me without the incentive things would have been very different

I personally have no doubt not all the hostages will have got this treatment. For a start they definitely were more successful in their mission than expected and ended up with more hostages. Heaven only knows what those without a personal protector have gone through

Also currently Hamas is stopping foreign nationals from leaving Gaza
. Egypt and Israel have said they will let them out. However Hamas is apparently stopping them and making demands to allow exit. These people may have to be classed as hostages too if things don't change soon

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/an-open-letter-to-israelis-from-israelis-we-deserve-the-truth-about-october-7/

This is why more and more Israelis are demanding answers.

I saw a different account where someone else said something similar on Israeli state radio.