6500 Dead: "Creating a severe humanitarian crisis is a necessary means to achieve the goal. Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist" Israeli Military Official

Sorry, it's called Islamic jihad not Muslims jihad, my bad.

‘Muslims jihad’ lol. That’s a new one.

Thanks. Yes i do remember 2 users that first few days were really active and never seen them again and these many new accounts make me suspicious

yes, I'm reading the bbc too. You can see there how they inform about the rockets thrown by IDF into gaza but they never or almost never talk about rockets send by hamas or the other group muslims jihad I think it's called into israel.

I’ve raised this concern about users to mnhq on several occasions. There were a couple
of users who were posting 24/7. I’ve not seen them back now. So hopefully mnhq investigated and were concerned too. A lot are trolls.@EasterIssland

I’ve realised many posters have got nearly brand new accounts in MN. I’ve a feeling some just create an account (or multiple) to throw hate against those that are dying atm in Gaza.

Are you reading the Israel bbc version ? This is the British one atm

"I'm not questioning gazans deaths because they are gazans, I'm questioning it because is hamas who is telling us the number of deaths, they are a terrorist group."

Agreed. Hamas is a terrorist group and I don't trust them either. But why then does Israel not allow independent journalists into Gaza to verify the situation? Why has it imposed a communications blackout? In the absence of any other source of information we have no choice but to go with Hamas.

We know that thousands have died in Gaza. We don't need to know more detail to abhor what is happening there.

That ministry is run by HAMAS.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/26/can-we-trust-casualty-figures-from-the-hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry#:~:text=In%20this%20time%20of%20war,ministry%20is%20run%20by%20Hamas.

As I said before I do have empathetic to any human being dying. Even if only one gazan would die is too much.

But what I see in this thread is totally trust in a terrorist group. We should not forget hamas kidnapped 200 people (most of them children) they killed and they raped. Why we should belive anything they say?

Why do you need confirmation of number of deaths? Would only a certain number be "too much"?

I'm not questioning gazans deaths because they are gazans, I'm questioning it because is hamas who is telling us the number of deaths, they are a terrorist group.

Exactly this anyone speaking for civilians in Gaza get cancelled e.g. job losses, suspension etc.. But if you speak in favour of the Israeli government the same outcome is not given I wonder why? Just ask Bella Hadid just because she speaks for Palestinians she has lost many friends and jobs. I have actually seen people in the past get suspended or lost their jobs in the past because they spoke against the Israeli government. It is a joke how we can talk about freedom of speech but censor some legitimate views.

Bella Hadid reveals losing jobs and friends after voicing support for Palestine (hola.com)

We must be reading different sources, in bbc I can only see news about Israeli rockets into Gaza.

Hamas is a terrorist group, Israel government is a democrat government. I do not agree with them but I do believe them more than I believe hamas. To me is like comparing olive oil with water...why do you compare them?

Literally that's all the media talks about. The first question to anyone is always about condemning hamas. Front pages are about hamas attacks. Anyone who speaks up about Palestine is fired or taken off air. You can't say Gazans are dying without putting Israels right to freedom in the same sentence, and ending with blaming hamas.

Come off it

People that say they do not believe Hamas but believe the Israeli government? Why? Both have lied. Israel have time again violated international law at least 28 resolutions were violated in the past and they continue to do this as collective punishment what they are currently doing is a war crime according to the Geneva convention.

Ask yourself this yes Hamas are bad but why before Hamas were in power were Israel violating international law? They have no respect for international law they do what they want. Countries like USA, UK do nothing but enable them.

It is a war, don't forget hamas are firing rockets into Israel too ( with fuel they say they don't have...). I'm surprised about media not talking about that too, I'm Christian but I even me can see how media is anti semitic. ..

This is what stands out from that article ketchup

As a result, Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist, and I say this as a means rather than an end. I say this because there is no other option for ensuring the security of the State of Israel. We are fighting an existential war.

It's like people are saying the quiet bits loudly now.
It's about the eradication of a whole people.

I absolutely agree. Just as there weren't 800 people killed in the hospital blast. It wasn't 800 and it wasn't a hospital.

Yes, it's terrible terrible terrible to see this suffering in Gaza but if Hamas had returned the hostages early on then this wouldn't have been happening at this level.

Did I say I don't feel bad with gazans dying? I do feel bad when any human being dies, specially innocent people but as I said I don't believe what Hamas say. They twist reality to fit their narrative.