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6500 Dead: "Creating a severe humanitarian crisis is a necessary means to achieve the goal. Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist" Israeli Military Official

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Ohlalalalala · 25/10/2023 19:16

Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people[a] in whole or in part. In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly.[1][2] Wikipedia

Reservist Major General Giora Eiland told Israeli media on Monday that Israel’s actions in “creating a severe humanitarian crisis is a necessary means to achieve the goal. Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/25/gaza-is-out-of-fuel-out-of-time-under-israels-bombardment

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/24/israel-hamas-war-live-fuel-shortfall-could-force-un-to-halt-work-in-gaza-2

Oxfam says starvation is being used as a weapon of war against civilians in Gaza, adding just two percent of usual food has been delivered to the enclave since Israel’s “total siege”.

Gaza death toll rises to 6,500, including Al Jazeera correspondent’s family

Al Jazeera Arabic’s Wael Dahdouh’s wife, son and daughter among family members killed after home hit.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/24/israel-hamas-war-live-fuel-shortfall-could-force-un-to-halt-work-in-gaza-2

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Alohapotato · 28/10/2023 20:09

EasterIssland · 28/10/2023 19:54

I mean do you believe anything Nigel farage says or would you support him? As netanyahu is the Israel version of farage

https://www.vox.com/world/2023/1/20/23561464/israel-new-right-wing-government-extreme-protests-netanyahu-biden-ben-gvir

If Netanyahu is a fascist what it is hamas?
I'm not Jewish but I could live in Israel, I could be gay, I could be a single mum or different faith ( Muslim or Christian)etc under Netanyahu government. I do not like him but I would not be able to live in Gaza as single mum by choice, as gay,as different faith (jew) etc.. so I understand why not to defend Netanyahu but why to defend hamas government?

To me israelians are much more closer to European values ( freedom of faith, freedom of love etc) and that's why I'm so against terrorist groups as hamas attacking democrat countries because they ho against of what I believe.

Gardenowl · 28/10/2023 20:06

Roste · 28/10/2023 19:55

The Israel government are fast losing any credibility, they are wilfully murdering civilians whilst hiding behind the new bogeyman Hamas who they claim are popping up all over Gaza at the moment: in hospitals , under hospitals, in homes of Al Jazeera journalists, in the midst of people warned to move to supposed areas of safety. I don’t think anyone with a modicum of sense would believe the Israel government after the last few weeks.

God forbid if there were any terrorists hiding under GOSH which is quite possible since we have an extensive tube network; will UK even consider carrying out any activity endangering GOSH leave alone bombing it?

It is the same for any building housing civilians and children in any country.

Why is it okay for Palestinian hospitals to be bombed because there are terrorists hiding underneath? The only logical reason is because Palestinian lives are worth less than nothing.

All the governments, companies, hollywood stars who sent out profuse messages for the graphic killings of 1400 people in Israel are completely quiet. Seems like being killed in a bomb strike is not horrific enough, being killed by a bomb strike as soon as you are born is not horrific enough, being killed because there is no oxygen in your incubator is certainly not horrific enough.

Or maybe if you are Palestinian then your death is never going to be horrific enough for the world to sit up, take notice and support you.

Missingmyusername · 28/10/2023 20:01

Ohlalalalala · 25/10/2023 19:42

What's killing me is the total impunity with which they are committing the genocide. And the deafening silence of the major world "leaders".

^ The deafening silence of the majority of the human race. We are a plague.

Roste · 28/10/2023 19:55

The Israel government are fast losing any credibility, they are wilfully murdering civilians whilst hiding behind the new bogeyman Hamas who they claim are popping up all over Gaza at the moment: in hospitals , under hospitals, in homes of Al Jazeera journalists, in the midst of people warned to move to supposed areas of safety. I don’t think anyone with a modicum of sense would believe the Israel government after the last few weeks.

bness · 28/10/2023 19:46

EasterIssland · 28/10/2023 19:40

Not her tho also another lie
I meant Shireen Abu Akleh

Yes, I know
I was just adding another lie to their long list of lies

EasterIssland · 28/10/2023 19:40

bness · 28/10/2023 19:36

Rachel Corrie, bulldozed, but no she just happened to appear in front of them

They never lie!

Not her tho also another lie
I meant Shireen Abu Akleh

bness · 28/10/2023 19:36

EasterIssland · 28/10/2023 19:32

the Israel government the one that every single proof they released about the hospital attack was a lie ? The ones that blame Palestina for killing a a journalist and then it was proof it was them ?

Rachel Corrie, bulldozed, but no she just happened to appear in front of them

They never lie!

EasterIssland · 28/10/2023 19:32

Alohapotato · 28/10/2023 19:19

Yes you are right all governments can do wrong but as I said before between believing hamas or Israel government I do believe the last one.

the Israel government the one that every single proof they released about the hospital attack was a lie ? The ones that blame Palestina for killing a a journalist and then it was proof it was them ?

Gardenowl · 28/10/2023 19:31

@Alohapotato, as previous posters have said you dont just need to believe Hamas you just need to see any of the live feeds that were till now coming from Gaza. But you seem hell bent on just believing the biased narrative from Israel and parroted by our media

Alohapotato · 28/10/2023 19:31

Ohlalalalala · 28/10/2023 19:23

You still didn't answer my question.

"Using foreign aid"
Please educate yourself on the topic before coming here with your ignorant comments. Did you think that Palestinians rely on foreign aid because of laziness? Because they love the ease of relying on outside aid? I have just shown you the video of a farmer not in Gaza quietly working on his field and those terrorists came and murdered him. They are terrorists because they routinely terrorise Palestinians and push them out of their lands into refugee life. They use KuKluxKlan methods.

Israel News
Opinion | How Do You Say Ku Klux Klan in Hebrew?

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2021-02-01/ty-article-opinion/.premium/how-do-you-say-ku-klux-klan-in-hebrew/0000017f-db53-df62-a9ff-dfd7de100000

Violent Israeli Settlers Are Starting to Resemble the KKK
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-02-10/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/violent-israeli-settlers-are-starting-to-resemble-the-kkk/0000017f-e69d-dea7-adff-f7ff4a810000

BBC News - Palestinians under attack as Israeli settler violence surges in the West Bank
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67173344

Also the Israeli government has been stripping them of their rights with their apartheid regime.

It is evident that you came here full of prejudice and bias against Palestinians. I can detect from the tone of your comments. If you truly want to know what's really happening there, we are here to help you do that. I know that many people didn't have the full picture.

Here is a selection of books written by academics who are Jewish:

On Palestine by Noam Chomsky and Ilan Pappé (Jewish American and Jewish Israeli)
https://amzn.eu/d/7sQJoVU

The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Ilan Pappé
https://amzn.eu/d/90RsXkt

You may need to read about Manufacturing Consent and Propaganda Model as well as Atrocity Propaganda.

If you have genuine questions you are welcome to ask them in a respectful way.

Thank you for the links, really appreciate it. It's always good to see other points of views and learn more about this subject but I think you are reading my comments with prejudice, you think I said laziness when I never saud that. What I said is gazans they deserve better government, there is huge unemployment and hamas instead of using foreign aid to create employment they use that aid in buying arms. I never said were lazy, lots of palestinian in uk who study/work.. what I said their government don't care about them.

Gardenowl · 28/10/2023 19:28

Alohapotato · 28/10/2023 19:19

Yes you are right all governments can do wrong but as I said before between believing hamas or Israel government I do believe the last one.

Pray why? Or is it simply that any source of news be it individual, country, news organisation becomes untrustworthy for you as soon as they point out the atrocities committed by Israel?

Ohlalalalala · 28/10/2023 19:23

Alohapotato · 28/10/2023 19:02

I don't understand this " what about".. me not defending terrorist groups as Hamas or Islamic jihad does not mean I defend israelians killing innocent gazans or me defending settlements.. I'm not Israeli and I'm not Jewish, I'm just horrified about the images hamas shared of their attack and I truly want hamas to dissappear. Not just for Israel safety but also for gazans safety, they deserve a government who wants to protect them send give them opportunities like education and employment instead of using foreign aid in killing Israelis.

You still didn't answer my question.

"Using foreign aid"
Please educate yourself on the topic before coming here with your ignorant comments. Did you think that Palestinians rely on foreign aid because of laziness? Because they love the ease of relying on outside aid? I have just shown you the video of a farmer not in Gaza quietly working on his field and those terrorists came and murdered him. They are terrorists because they routinely terrorise Palestinians and push them out of their lands into refugee life. They use KuKluxKlan methods.

Israel News
Opinion | How Do You Say Ku Klux Klan in Hebrew?

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2021-02-01/ty-article-opinion/.premium/how-do-you-say-ku-klux-klan-in-hebrew/0000017f-db53-df62-a9ff-dfd7de100000

Violent Israeli Settlers Are Starting to Resemble the KKK
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-02-10/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/violent-israeli-settlers-are-starting-to-resemble-the-kkk/0000017f-e69d-dea7-adff-f7ff4a810000

BBC News - Palestinians under attack as Israeli settler violence surges in the West Bank
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67173344

Also the Israeli government has been stripping them of their rights with their apartheid regime.

It is evident that you came here full of prejudice and bias against Palestinians. I can detect from the tone of your comments. If you truly want to know what's really happening there, we are here to help you do that. I know that many people didn't have the full picture.

Here is a selection of books written by academics who are Jewish:

On Palestine by Noam Chomsky and Ilan Pappé (Jewish American and Jewish Israeli)
https://amzn.eu/d/7sQJoVU

The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Ilan Pappé
https://amzn.eu/d/90RsXkt

You may need to read about Manufacturing Consent and Propaganda Model as well as Atrocity Propaganda.

If you have genuine questions you are welcome to ask them in a respectful way.

How do you say Ku Klux Klan in Hebrew? | Opinion | Opinion

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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2021-02-01/ty-article-opinion/.premium/how-do-you-say-ku-klux-klan-in-hebrew/0000017f-db53-df62-a9ff-dfd7de100000

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Alohapotato · 28/10/2023 19:19

Gardenowl · 28/10/2023 19:04

I am so tired of that argument too. Just because a government is elected democratically doesn't mean they can do no wrong, remember Iraq! And if we start crediting or discrediting people with the decisions governments make then we should hold all Israelis who voted for this government responsible for it as well. That is all that democratically elected means and it is a bloody stupid argument for dumb bots. Being democratic doesn't mean all your decisions are correct

Yes you are right all governments can do wrong but as I said before between believing hamas or Israel government I do believe the last one.

Gardenowl · 28/10/2023 19:07

Noicant · 28/10/2023 18:40

Of Israeli population only 30% could be described as european, the rest come from places like iraq, yemen, iran, turkey, ethiopia or are arab/palestinian. Israel is way more brown than it is white.

Then let's call it as it is. Western world considers it perfectly acceptable for Muslims to be collateral damage. Even Muslims who are citizens of the western world. Does that sound better?

Desertrose2023 · 28/10/2023 19:04

Are we allowed to believe our own eyes ? The horrific scenes of mothers cradling their dead babies ? Live posts from independent photo journalists on the ground or UN agencies ? Scenes of an Al Jazeera bureau chief bidding goodbye to his family in body bags ? Are they all liars and professionals actors or Hamas puppets ? ?

Seriously the pro-Israeli gaslighting has to stop. Thousands of innocent civilians are being killed in Gaza by israel. Those who aren’t being bombed to bits are slowly starving or dying as a result of lack of water - which Israel is intentionally withholding. They’ve cut all electricity and access to internet so their crimes are visible.

I don’t care if the real numbers are 10 or 10,000. It’s genocide and it must stop.

Gardenowl · 28/10/2023 19:04

Alohapotato · 28/10/2023 16:12

Hamas is a terrorist group, Israel government is a democrat government. I do not agree with them but I do believe them more than I believe hamas. To me is like comparing olive oil with water...why do you compare them?

I am so tired of that argument too. Just because a government is elected democratically doesn't mean they can do no wrong, remember Iraq! And if we start crediting or discrediting people with the decisions governments make then we should hold all Israelis who voted for this government responsible for it as well. That is all that democratically elected means and it is a bloody stupid argument for dumb bots. Being democratic doesn't mean all your decisions are correct

Alohapotato · 28/10/2023 19:02

Ohlalalalala · 28/10/2023 18:53

What about these terrorists? Or would you call them something else?

https://youtube.com/shorts/vdPFXpoZfQ?feature=shared

Israeli settlers kill Palestinian farmer in Nablus.

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I don't understand this " what about".. me not defending terrorist groups as Hamas or Islamic jihad does not mean I defend israelians killing innocent gazans or me defending settlements.. I'm not Israeli and I'm not Jewish, I'm just horrified about the images hamas shared of their attack and I truly want hamas to dissappear. Not just for Israel safety but also for gazans safety, they deserve a government who wants to protect them send give them opportunities like education and employment instead of using foreign aid in killing Israelis.

Bloom15 · 28/10/2023 19:01

Desertrose2023 · 25/10/2023 19:38

the apartheid and genocide apologists will be along soon with “but Hamas” !!

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Yep!

I can't believe how much support the Israeli government has.

Noicant · 28/10/2023 18:59

Alohapotato · 28/10/2023 18:08

As I said before I do have empathetic to any human being dying. Even if only one gazan would die is too much.

But what I see in this thread is totally trust in a terrorist group. We should not forget hamas kidnapped 200 people (most of them children) they killed and they raped. Why we should belive anything they say?

They are also busy lying in interviews, I saw one with sky news “we weren’t targeting civilians” why were over 200 ravers murdered then? “Well its a wide area mumble mumble mumble” They are on tv lying through their teeth. They are quite obviously and explicitly lying, taking a page out of Russias playbook there.

Don’t believe a single word that come from them on casualty numbers.

But the devastation to Gaza is quite clear to see from the images coming out. It’s tragic.

I’m not sure what the answer is, leave the tunnels (which is what Israel is targeting) and possibly have your own civilians attacked at some time in the future, maybe something even worse than what you have just experienced or continue but cause immense harm to Gazans.

Ultimately Israel will say it’s first responsibility is to it’s own people and Gazans should be looking to Hamas. They will keep going until all the tunnels are gone. I don’t think they are deliberately targeting civilians, they wouldn’t bother with evacuation notices if they were (also obviously spaces cleared if civilians are easier to operate in). But I don’t think they are going to prioritise them either.

Ohlalalalala · 28/10/2023 18:53

Alohapotato · 28/10/2023 18:44

No, I'm not. I was just showing I did not fabricated it, I just mistake the name of it.

What about these terrorists? Or would you call them something else?

https://youtube.com/shorts/vdPFXpoZfQ?feature=shared

Israeli settlers kill Palestinian farmer in Nablus.

Before you continue to YouTube

https://youtube.com/shorts/vdP_FXpoZfQ?feature=shared

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Alohapotato · 28/10/2023 18:44

ChickHenLittle · 28/10/2023 18:37

What's the point of this? Most posters know of their existence.
Or are you simply trying to stir up hatred?

No, I'm not. I was just showing I did not fabricated it, I just mistake the name of it.

Noicant · 28/10/2023 18:40

AgaMM · 28/10/2023 12:29

The western world has shown that it’s perfectly acceptable for brown people to be collateral damage, after Afghanistan and then Iraq. It has also shown that white victims of war are more important, as evident by its response to Ukraine.

It’s really not surprising that Israel is doing all this under claims of “war on terror”, and it will get away with it.

Of Israeli population only 30% could be described as european, the rest come from places like iraq, yemen, iran, turkey, ethiopia or are arab/palestinian. Israel is way more brown than it is white.

ChickHenLittle · 28/10/2023 18:37

What's the point of this? Most posters know of their existence.
Or are you simply trying to stir up hatred?

Alohapotato · 28/10/2023 18:35

Chaiandkaafee · 28/10/2023 18:22

‘Muslims jihad’ lol. That’s a new one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Islamic_Jihad

Palestinian Islamic Jihad - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Islamic_Jihad