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6500 Dead: "Creating a severe humanitarian crisis is a necessary means to achieve the goal. Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist" Israeli Military Official

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Ohlalalalala · 25/10/2023 19:16

Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people[a] in whole or in part. In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly.[1][2] Wikipedia

Reservist Major General Giora Eiland told Israeli media on Monday that Israel’s actions in “creating a severe humanitarian crisis is a necessary means to achieve the goal. Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/25/gaza-is-out-of-fuel-out-of-time-under-israels-bombardment

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/24/israel-hamas-war-live-fuel-shortfall-could-force-un-to-halt-work-in-gaza-2

Oxfam says starvation is being used as a weapon of war against civilians in Gaza, adding just two percent of usual food has been delivered to the enclave since Israel’s “total siege”.

Gaza death toll rises to 6,500, including Al Jazeera correspondent’s family

Al Jazeera Arabic’s Wael Dahdouh’s wife, son and daughter among family members killed after home hit.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/24/israel-hamas-war-live-fuel-shortfall-could-force-un-to-halt-work-in-gaza-2

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Aswad · 02/12/2023 08:24

Aswad · 02/12/2023 08:23

What does stand with Israel mean?

@Xenia

Aswad · 02/12/2023 08:23

What does stand with Israel mean?

Thereissomelight · 02/12/2023 08:21

He makes Andrew Tate seem like a cuddly fluffy do-gooder

Thereissomelight · 02/12/2023 08:20

Bloody hell.

twilightmoon3 · 02/12/2023 05:36

This self-professed UK-born / US-raised Zionist Jew musician who writes for the Times of Israel/Newsweek and jdforward apparently, says the silent bit out loud. At least he is honest, I'll give him that. https://twitter.com/songsofyoni/status/1730465473060393369

To those who reply to me with pictures of the damage and destruction in Gaza as if this is supposed to be something that moves me, you should know how much I really, truly in my heart don't care. In fact, this is what the saying "I couldn't care less" was made for. When I see dead Gazans, I don't see dead Gazans – I see the dead Israelis who came before them. When I see suffering Gazans, I don't see suffering Gazans – I see the suffering Israelis being kept in dark dungeons underground. You see, Hamas's attack on October 7 was so successful that it blinded all of us to anything related to Gaza, Gazans or the troubles of either one. We only see blue and white now. And we are angrier than ever. Our blood is boiling hotter than ever. We care less about Gaza than ever. We care less about world opinion than ever. We want the@IDF
to use more firepower than ever. But most of all, we want our people back more than ever – and will do whatever it takes. Literally, anything. Nothing's off the table. Mercy is a foreign concept that has no application here. The opposite – we want our army to attack with whatever the opposite of mercy is. We're more insistent than ever that the war will continue into southern Gaza until it reaches all the way to Qatar where the Mossad has formally been instructed to draw up plans for taking out the cowardly Hamas leaders hiding like little rats. And every day this war continues, our feelings get stronger. Our anger gets stronger. Our thirst for revenge gets stronger. Our willingness to cause massive damage without the slightest care in the world in our quest to free our people has already gotten so strong – and will continue to get stronger – that Gaza will long for the wars of past which will seem like a trip to Disney in comparison. But most of all, we're more insistent than ever that Palestinians will never have a state anywhere near our borders. Those dreams died along with our people on October 7. There is a time for peace and a time for war. I strongly suggest to all the well-meaning diplomats who keep trying to pressure Israel into peace with the Palestinians to save their energies and focus their efforts elsewhere where they have a chance of success. Because now is a time for war. All-out war. War without mercy. And I'm one of the moderates.

https://twitter.com/songsofyoni/status/1730465473060393369

Thereissomelight · 01/12/2023 23:22

Those poor people. I can’t believe “the West” is doing this in full view of everyone.

One odd thing I’ve noticed is that although it’s on the news a lot no one talks about it at all. Not at work, not at the school gate. And it’s not that everyone isn’t super aware of it - lips tighten and heads shake if it comes up by accident (the radio on, say) - but the subject is immediately changed.

ketchup07070 · 01/12/2023 23:08

@Efacsen That's good to know. So it couldn't be stormed, but maybe opened if Egypt under pressure. If people did try to breach it the sight of Egyptian guards shooting them would be a PR disaster.

Dinkydaisy1 · 01/12/2023 23:06

Map of the areas Israel has told civilians it will bomb, and to envauate from. Tell me this isn't a genocide

6500 Dead: "Creating a severe humanitarian crisis is a necessary means to achieve the goal. Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist" Israeli Military Official
Efacsen · 01/12/2023 22:55

@ketchup07070 I've wondered how this might happen given that the Gaza-Egypt border is very secure - it has a high concrete wall which starving distressed civilians could not breech without 'assistance'. The crossing itself is also easy to close completely and manned by armed Egyptian border guards/soldiers

It's not at all like the Syrian-Turkish border where 100s thousands refugees streamed across not so very long ago

Unless IDF airplanes accidently destroy a large enough section [Egypt would take an extremely 'dim view'] it can't happen like this

Maybe I'm wrong but think a more likely scenario is Egypt opening the crossing under pressure from it's own people who are also watching all this horror unfold and both open and covert political pressure from other nations

Dinkydaisy1 · 01/12/2023 22:44

Xenia · 01/12/2023 22:34

I stand with Israel all the way on this. Hamas are appalling. Hamas started this.
Pakistan is seeing something similar which is one reason it is expelling 1.7m Afghan at the moment and sending them back home to the Taliban because it has suffered so many terrorist attacks by Afghan extremists. It is not just the West and Israel which has these major problems with Hamas and other terrorists.

And Pakistan is completely wrong about this and has been called out by Amnesty and the UN, and rightly so. Expelling a population who has made home in your country for various reasons is wrong. Pakistan may have its reasons stemming from its own complex geopolitical standing and also being heavily used by America as a military base to target Afghanistan, which is itself a target of decades games by Russia/USSR. Don't forget the Taliban was created by, financed and armed by America to fight US interests against Russia in the 80s. It's all a big military game of money, power and land control and civilians always play a heavy, heavy price. There is no legitimising cruel removal of a people.

ketchup07070 · 01/12/2023 22:43

@Stomacharmeleon Let's face it. Europe doesn't want more refugees. That's where they'll end up. Egypt said they will send them all to Europe. But it shouldn't happen. like Parking says it's their home. Biden says he doesn't want that but I don't think Netanyahu is listening.

Stomacharmeleon · 01/12/2023 22:42

@Parkingt111 because the three original host countries Jordan, Syria and Egypt already have unwra supported refugees, they are worried they wouldn't be allowed back and they have all had issues with..... terrorists..... that them cause them instability.

Parkingt111 · 01/12/2023 22:42

In a time when the Gazans and Palestinians are already being dehumanised to say other countries don't want them just adds to this
Why are the majority being punished and branded with the actions of some

It's exactly the same thing that anti semites do to Jewish Israeli people which is also wrong.
They look at the extreme settlers or other extreme groups and say all Israelis are like this and that's why no one likes them

Both are wrong

Stomacharmeleon · 01/12/2023 22:38

@ketchup07070 I didn't mean no one took Israel up on it. I mean countries have before and it's ended in tears hence the reluctance to do it again.

Xenia · 01/12/2023 22:34

I stand with Israel all the way on this. Hamas are appalling. Hamas started this.
Pakistan is seeing something similar which is one reason it is expelling 1.7m Afghan at the moment and sending them back home to the Taliban because it has suffered so many terrorist attacks by Afghan extremists. It is not just the West and Israel which has these major problems with Hamas and other terrorists.

Parkingt111 · 01/12/2023 22:34

@Stomacharmeleon why would countries not want to take in Gazan refugees?

But the point is that is their home. Their land. They should not be forcibly displaced because history tells us that if that happens then its unlikely they will be allowed back
The war does not mean that all infrastructure that makes it inhabitable is destroyed

And that's why Blinken made it clear in his last visit that Israel shouldn't do that in the south how they have done in the north

But his words seem too little and too late

ketchup07070 · 01/12/2023 22:28

@Stomacharmeleon You're right nobody took them up on it, for various reasons. But desperate people might storm the border, which would be a disaster. And with winter coming and a humanitarian crisis the world will have to talk about taking refugees. We're not going to watch 2m people die, I hope.

Stomacharmeleon · 01/12/2023 22:21

@ketchup07070 I don't mind this to sound catty but after previous attempts I don't think many countries would line up to take any.

ketchup07070 · 01/12/2023 22:06

Sorry, that was to @feralunderclass

ketchup07070 · 01/12/2023 22:06

I remember. Also, more recently, Israeli politicians push were suggesting the rest of the world should take 10 000 refugees each. I didn't want to think the world would let it happen, but here we are. They are about to destroy the South and push 2m starving, desperate people to the Rafah border.

feralunderclass · 01/12/2023 21:52

ketchup07070 · 01/12/2023 21:31

So the north is now almost uninhabitable. The population is pushed South and are being told to move near to the Rafah crossing. Hospitals gone, no aid allowed in. It looks like it's getting closer to the two aims of making Gaza uninhabitable and pushing the remaining population out.

I said this in the early days but I wouldn't be surprised if the plan was to force the Palestinians into Sinai and/or neighbouring countries and for Israel to take over Gaza. Within about a week of 7/10 there were interviews about how badly settlers wanted back to Gush Katif (the settlement in Gaza).

ketchup07070 · 01/12/2023 21:31

ketchup07070 · 25/10/2023 20:58

According to the guy that wrote this article they will all be expelled to Egypt or the Gulf!

So the north is now almost uninhabitable. The population is pushed South and are being told to move near to the Rafah crossing. Hospitals gone, no aid allowed in. It looks like it's getting closer to the two aims of making Gaza uninhabitable and pushing the remaining population out.

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Thereissomelight · 26/11/2023 21:33

1dayatatime · 30/10/2023 20:09

@Weddingpuzzle

"What if Hamas were hiding in Israel? There are approximately 25,000 Hamas members. What if they were hiding in Israel, would you support Netanyahu's response to October 7th and military policy then?"

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If Hamas were hiding in Israel and they are their hiding was supported by the local population (regardless of whether they were Israeli or Palestinian) then I would expect the military response would be similar. Just the same as if you had a terrorist organisation that launched attacks against say Slough and were based in say Basingstoke that were supported by the local residents.

If however they were not supported by the local population then they would be easier to identify, for example locals saying the bad guys are over there.

But what if 50% of the population were children and unable to tell you where Hamas was? And many of their mums were too frightened on behalf of their children to point out Hamas (even assuming they knew). Tough shit on them all, eh. Just blow them up in their thousands. Job done! (Or not…considering we keep being told that the Hamas leaders are living in luxury outside of Gaza).

ChickHenLittle · 26/11/2023 21:05

EasterIssland · 26/11/2023 15:22

Not sure where to put this as it’s happened in USA. 3 teenagers shot yesterday

My goodness, this is awful. 😔
I wear mine often, at the moment to keep me warm when outside. I never even considered it could make me a target, I have lots of friends who wear them too.