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Justifying the rape of women

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armchairactivist1 · 25/10/2023 18:35

Something I keep coming back to.. for the people whose sympathies lie with the Palestinians and think an eye for an eye and that Hamas have been pushed to act the way they have, how do you justify the brutal rape of women by Hamas?
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aswarmofmidges · 25/10/2023 19:03

Hamas isn't all Palestinians

Rape as a tool of war or terrorism is wrong

That doesn't make other actions such as killing thousands of children right or automatically justified

I don't see this as hard to understand ?

SomeCatFromJapan · 25/10/2023 19:00

I'm getting a little tired of posters minimising the 7 October atrocities. Israel has actually now held screenings for foreign journalists showing a combination of footage filmed by the terrorists and Israeli responders, exactly because there are these constant attempts to minimise.

The same people seem to believe every claim and figure that Hamas care to produce.

HermioneWeasley · 25/10/2023 18:57

People seem not to have read the OP.

women are normally horrified by rape, including rape as a war crime. Hamas raped women and children so violently they broke their pelvises. Nothing Israel has done or could ever do could possibly justify this, but this thread shows posters dismissing, minimising and saying they don’t believe the Israeli reports, despite Hamas’s own footage showing horrendous atrocities (but we all know Jews are sneaky and devious, don’t we?).

armchairactivist1 · 25/10/2023 18:56

@Dinkydaisy1 ok, I understand that there is doubt on both sides as to the credibility of sources, this is a difficult aspect to this situation. I watched a coroners report on the news earlier where they described broken pelvis' because of forcible penetration. But yes this was from an Israeli coroner, would there ever be an independent investigation?

I just keep thinking of the girl with the blood stained joggers

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SomeCatFromJapan · 25/10/2023 18:54

The rape rates in war do seem to be somewhat culturally dependent. I don't think what happened in Berlin would have happened to anywhere near the same extent had the Allies forces got there before the Russians, although I doubt whether the rate would have been zero either.

Branleuse · 25/10/2023 18:54

Rape is a tool of war and a daily fact of life for many. It happens in every war and everywhere. You think IDF don't/haven't raped Palestinian women? You think Palestinian men don't rape Palestinian women or that Israeli men don't rape Israeli women?
Even Oxfam people delivering aid in disaster zones use it as a fucking opportunity to rape the local women and kids.

Please don't try and frame any of this shit as if that it means justifying rape

armchairactivist1 · 25/10/2023 18:52

@FOJN you are right. I absolutely differentiate between the two but I think because I'm thinking in this instance about all of the social media accounts I've seen talking about Palestinians and not really mentioning Hammas as a separate extremist terror group, I've done the same thing here. In that respect, Hammas have successfully convinced a lot of people in the western world that they stand for the Palestinian people which I don't believe as they haven't had an election in 16 years

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Dinkydaisy1 · 25/10/2023 18:48

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ShellySarah · 25/10/2023 18:44

I didn't say all armed conflicts. You did. I said most.

My point was that in those conflicts where it happens, it doesn't happen at the same rate in all of them. Some groups and armies are far more likely to rape than others. Therefore it's not simply a men thing.

ShellySarah · 25/10/2023 18:44

Pollyputhekettleon · 25/10/2023 18:43

It doesn't happen at the same rate in all armed conflicts.

I didn't say all armed conflicts. You did. I said most.

Pollyputhekettleon · 25/10/2023 18:43

ShellySarah · 25/10/2023 18:38

Women stay oddly silent at that here. Just chest beating screams of stop harming Gaza.

I think it's just men tbh. Gang rape happens in most armed conflicts. Even in Ukraine. It makes me think that given half a chance most men would do it if law and order broke down.

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It doesn't happen at the same rate in all armed conflicts.

FOJN · 25/10/2023 18:41

Are all Palestinians Hamas to you? All Palestinian children apprentice Hamas fighters? Please try to distinguish between Hamas and Palestinian civilians.

Outside of a few extremists I have yet to see anyone who is concerned about the humanitarian crisis in Gaza justify the actions of Hamas.

Exploiting the brutal attacks on innocent Israelis to score points is reprehensible.

ShellySarah · 25/10/2023 18:38

Women stay oddly silent at that here. Just chest beating screams of stop harming Gaza.

I think it's just men tbh. Gang rape happens in most armed conflicts. Even in Ukraine. It makes me think that given half a chance most men would do it if law and order broke down.

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