Justifying the rape of women

Wow, such paranoia and bitterness. Yes, I absolutely did comment and post in a spirit of shocked sadness at that time. You are bigoted and to be pitied. Your thought patterns are dangerous and will lead to more suffering on both sides. I don't give a fuck about your clever maths re Biden - think of those children and wind your neck in.

Well, obviously, I'm not celebrating anything. I'm a peace-loving non-Jewish/Muslim/any-kind-of-religion person living quietly in a small European country (not UK).

As a compassionate human being, I can totally understand why someone who has been brutalised by another culture might be pleased to hear bad news about the other side. In private!

But these huge street celebrations? That guy phoning his parents, who were ecstatic to hear his news about killing 10 Jews? That's something else, it's on another level. The public, shameless depravity is what makes it so shocking. It's clearly cultural, not personal.

Believe it or not, I started off a fortnight ago with a kind of automatic sympathy for the "Palestinians." I had the vague idea that they were the underdog and that Israel, backed by the US, had an unfair advantage.

I'm deeply, deeply ashamed to admit that my first reaction, when I heard that Israelis at a peace festival had been attacked, was partly to just think "Ah well, daft hippies, having a peace party in a war zone, what did they expect." 😨 😢 That's how fucking ignorant I was.

Then I started educating myself.

I was really curious to understand things better and have watched lots of info from both sides, including Al Jazeera.

I've found out that Hamas are mind-numbingly rich, but have always chosen to invest in warfare rather than improving the infrastructure in Gaza. Because their focus is on wiping out Israel. I mean, they don't even make any secret of this! It's their stated goal, enshrined in their covenant. They constantly bombard Israel with missiles, which is why those beautiful souls at the festival took no notice at first.

Hamas play dirty by using their own people as human shields (i.e. basing missile launchers and ammo depots in hospitals, schools, mosques etc), which is a war crime that complicates the picture of fair warfare. They never bothered putting in a missile defence system like Israel's "iron dome." And they steal any aid that gets through.

Against this background, I'd have expected "Palestinians" to be equally keen on destroying Hamas. Everyone's lives would be so much better without them. Surely they don't all share the ambition to wipe out Israel...? Or...??????????

I've been so shocked by the anti-Israeli sentiments expressed on this thread, like the one above saying the global press briefing was just "propaganda." I don't know quite how to describe that level of wilful ignorance.

Apologies if you personally haven't. I'm not wasting my time wading through your posts to check.

I'm not commenting further on this either because like I said I don't agree with that posters methods but their post was a clear mirroring of loads of posts I have seen on here in the last few weeks minimising what is happening to Palestinian children. For me personally, it is wrong to minimise any of it.

Incorrect again. You won’t find that because I have not posted it.

Sorry. You have misunderstood me. You have minimised the killing of Palestinian children.

What a claim. You are wrong.

I have spoken up for Jewish posters a fair bit though and against minimisation of the barbarity on October 7th.

You are confusing me with someone else.

I didn't say you were. I'm pretty sure Easternstandard has though. So have very many posters on mumsnet. It is widely accepted that Palestinian children are just collateral damage. Look at all the cries of 'what else do you expect Israel to do?'. Like we can't expect Israel to not kill children at a rate of 1 every 13mins.

Anyway, I'm out, I've got work to do but I will say it again. If it is wrong for someone to say that about Israeli children(and it is), it is wrong to say it about Palestinian children(even if they are teens).

Good grief, @Gruntsandgroans - am I minimising that or anything? If you see that, challenge it, as would I, and have done when I've seen questionable posts.
Dear lord. I can't believe this.

Women stay oddly silent at that here. Just chest beating screams of stop harming Gaza.

I think it's just men tbh. Gang rape happens in most armed conflicts. Even in Ukraine. It makes me think that given half a chance most men would do it if law and order broke down.

I don't agree with how that poster is going about it but aren't they just trying to highlight the hypocrisy of the situation? Palestinian children have been written off by lots of posters here as collateral damage. For the past few days there has been a massive push to deny how many people are being murdered in Palestine. She is literally just echoing back the pro Israel stance?

Like I said I don't agree with how she is going about it but her point is really clear to see. If it is appalling for her to do it about innocent Israelis then it is clearly appalling to do the same for innocent Gazans. None of the children who have been hurt or killed asked for this, no matter what Israeli politicians say.

No, @Gruntsandgroans . It was minimising/denying specific atrocities.

Your tone is deeply inappropriate - this is not something to be flippant or point scoring about. Have some respect.

I read the tone as utterly frustrated with the minimising. Which is the deeply inappropriate part.

Your tone is deeply inappropriate - this is not something to be flippant or point scoring about. Have some respect.

The number 40 was just chosen by a random journalist though. Not that it matters, any child being killed is awful but the way the headlines portrayed it was not right. It could be that 1 baby was killed in collateral damage or 10, but we don't know and we probably won't ever find out.

Your tone is deeply inappropriate - this is not something to be flippant or point scoring about. Have some respect.

I read the tone as utterly frustrated with the minimising. Which is the deeply inappropriate part.

Your tone is deeply inappropriate - this is not something to be flippant or point scoring about. Have some respect.

The number 40 was just chosen by a random journalist though. Not that it matters, any child being killed is awful but the way the headlines portrayed it was not right. It could be that 1 baby was killed in collateral damage or 10, but we don't know and we probably won't ever find out.