Justifying the rape of women

Everything that @EasternStandard has posted has been verified. It doesn't matter what side you're on, whether you think the Israeli response was disproportionate, or whatever.
The experience of these women should not be ignored.

Your posts are making me feel a bit ill. Why so reluctant to believe women?

On Saturday 7 October, Israel – especially civilians in 21 rural communities and cities near the Gaza border – woke up to the worst nightmare since the establishment of the State of Israel 75 years ago. Hamas armed terrorists murdered, tortured, and raped innocent civilians, men, women, elderly people, children, and babies. More than 1,300 people were killed, and at least 222 people, including women and children, were taken hostage. Among them is my dear friend Vivian Silver of Kibbutz Be’eri, a longtime peace activist. As part of that well-planned vicious attack on Israel, on that Saturday morning, Hamas terrorists also raided an outdoor rave near Kibbutz Be’eri and shot and killed 200 people, who came from around the country for a celebration of love and peace.

As the days passed, the scale of the atrocities and war crimes perpetrated by Hamas continued to unfold. Young women who were at the outdoor rave reported having witnessed brutal rapes of women. These testimonies were corroborated by horrific images published by Hamas on social media the very same day.

It is something of a theme so much so an open letter has signed here

An open letter signed by dozens of women’s groups from Israel and around the world criticises the failure of UN Women to speak out about the Hamas Pogrom of 7 October. ‘It is unthinkable that a UN agency responsible for women’s rights ignores the abduction of women, babies, girls, children and men from their homes, committing war crimes against women and children, and the murder of over a thousand innocent civilians.’ Hamutal Gouri, one of the signatories, explains the deep sense of betrayal felt by Jewish women.

https://fathomjournal.org/opinion-why-dont-israeli-women-count-for-un-women/

You can’t feel ok with being part of the problem surely?

How revolting, @saffronsoup . You really can find so much vile behaviour online. Unfortunately, I think the hatred isn't going to lessen any time soon.

I am not minimising the killing of innocent civilians. It is absolutely awful.

I will say that the British journalist who watched the footage has not commented on any footage of rape. She has given a short video on the skynews article of what she had seen.

https://news.sky.com/video/israel-gaza-war-boys-witness-fathers-murder-in-raw-footage-screened-by-israel-of-hamas-attack-12991530

As per the BBC article - The IDF has released a document that they say was from Hamas and in that there are instructions to rape. As per the article, there was no footage of rape.

The footage and instructions have not been verified but personally I believe the footage is real.

It is not about what I think happened it is about what has happened. If you aren't using reputable news sources what are you using? No reputable news source has confirmed that women were raped and there is no footage of this. They have only confirmed that certain Israeli ministers have made claims.

I just very unfortunately came across a TikTok compilation of Jewish women mocking and making fun of Palestinian women and children who had died and putting on ‘rubble make-up’ .

@SadTimes96

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67198270

So, @SadTimes96 - just to clarify - you don't think that there's any evidence that women have been raped?.

Tbh I found it strange that so many celebrated the murder of Israeli civilians because my first thought was “omg that’s horrific, what kind of monsters do that” second thought “Gaza is going to get flattened those poor people” 3rd thought “why are those dickheads celebrating, Gazans are about to die”.

This was my exact reaction too. I suspect that there are some, positioned as pro-Palestine, who are in fact simply anti-Israel and welcome the anger against Israel of high Palestinian civilian casualties.

Have British news journalists commented that they have seen footage of this? Correct me if I am wrong, I have only looked the Sky news and channel 4 news articles. I don't read anything that isn't a reputable news source anymore.

Ofcourse it is always awful when innocent civilians have been killed on both sides. But the details are important because propagandist language like "40 beheaded babies" does further add fuel to the fire. So far there is no evidence according to sky news and the IDF have not confirmed this... so, I am not going to get upset about something that hasn't been verified. Just like the statement of women being raped.

I will however get upset at the fact that innocent civilians and children have been murdered on both sides.

I am trying to fact-check as much as possible and I don't think that is wrong.

You're right! Ask MNHQ

I know @Maireas but others weren't!!

Evening, Jeff. I think sometimes when you quote a post which then gets deleted, your post also gets deleted. You've not broken a guideline!

Why was my post deleted??!!!

The footage has been shown to journalists who have commented on it

There are plenty of posts detailing the atrocities

This minimising is very off.

Tbh I found it strange that so many celebrated the murder of Israeli civilians because my first thought was “omg that’s horrific, what kind of monsters do that” second thought “Gaza is going to get flattened those poor people” 3rd thought “why are those dickheads celebrating, Gazans are about to die”.

At which point I concluded that those people celebrating cared for neither Israelis or Gazans but were motivated by other things.

You don’t need to diminish either groups suffering.

Also why tear down posters of missing children, does it matter where they are from, their families are probably trying to raise awareness . Some sick bastard drew hitler moustaches on the pictures of 3yr old twins who are hostages. Just how can you do that and think you are in the right.

Did you became passionate about the conflict when the hospital attack happened? Because the hospital is just one more thing that has happened. People are dying every day. Does it matter whether they are in a hospital or at their house ? Whether they’re a baby or a woman or whether they’re a journalist , their family or a teacher?

@Luckydip1 are you trying to deliberatey upset people? It's not okay.

Fine. You carry on

They filmed themselves attempting to behead a still alive South East Asian farm worker by slamming a gardening implement repeatedly into his throat, so, yes, technically that might not be counted as an actual beheading. Their success rate is uncertain. How unfortunate that they were livestreaming all of this. If only they'd waited a few days to show off their handiwork, they could have claimed the Israelis had created the video.

The thing is so many of us have gotten very emotional and passionate about something that we have later found out (or are waiting to find out) had or has not happened. I did the same as everyone who got so frustrated and upset... To later then have news channels saying they are still investigating.

So I am waiting for British media outlets to verify certain things now... And that is with both sides.

So far, the British news outlets have said they are still investigating. So there is no point getting upset about something that may not have happened.

I think you need to stop this now, @Luckydip1 because thousands of people are being killed in a terrible conflict which shows no sign of abating. Feelings are running high and there is anguish on both sides, so please respect that
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Unless the videos were created and posted by the IDF propaganda machine.