Justifying the rape of women

People, principally some incredibly brave Poles, managed to smuggle information out of the Nazi concentration camps. Unfortunately, politicians, diplomats and newspaper editors in the non-occupied West, while they acknowledged that something very bad was going on, thought the stories were so horrific and gruesome that they must be Polish propaganda.

I think what we are now discovering is that had the SS had Go-Pro cameras and social media accounts, people would still have thought that the Jews were exaggerating.

Well in the meantime, why don't you go and watch the video of the Thai bloke having been shot and decapitated with a garden hoe while still alive. Dying a painful death. Or is only evidence of babies and women being beheaded you are looking for proof of? I often wonder what some of you would have done if Israel had released the footage of the massacre to the world. They didn't because its so graphic. Now, go and watch that sick footage I told you about that the terrorist scum recorded and uploaded to social media.

Apart from the fact that you shared an article like this without even reading it, to imply gang-rape of a Palestinian child, you do know that Gaza has been bombing Israel for years, don't you? You do know that's why Israel has its Iron Dome missile defence system? You do know that if Hamas spent some of its $300 million on building something similar to protect Gazan civilians, instead of deliberately siting missile launchers around kindergartens/hospitals/mosques, this would make quite a difference to the numbers of casualties...?

Yes, and those very Jewish people are getting called "anti semitic" or "self hating Jews". So sad.

Well, there have been plenty of posts with this sort of information, but obviously if you automatically distrust anything that originates with an Israeli source, that kind of rules out the evidence, since errrrrrmmmm it was gathered in Israel...?!

You might want to look up the various testimonies of the Muslim physician scholar and women's rights activitist, Dr Qanta Ahmed, one of the people invited to view the 45-minute compilation of atrocities from the massacre.

Or, if you don't believe her either, you could just look through the website I mentioned earlier.

@Creatingusernamesismygame Everything except kissing Israel's arse is antisemitic. It's the only thing they have to fall back on.

Criticism of Israel has absolutely nothing to do with being Jewish. In fact there are loads of very brave Jewish people taking a stand against Israel's genocide of the Palestinians.

So questioning biased evidence is antisemitic? Ok.

@Alcemeg

I literally said in my post that I'm not saying it didn't happen. Just that I haven't seen any verifiable evidence. If you have some you can share I'd greatly appreciate it. Perhaps an article from the journalists who were shown the videos of the rapes and beheadings by the Israeli government?

Equally, plenty of people believe that Israel have a hidden agenda and their only priority is ethnic cleansing of Muslim people. Nothing else. Plenty of evidence from Palestinian volunteers and charity workers to suggest it’s true. Why won’t you believe that?

Gosh, I wonder why that might be...?

I'm not reporting these posts because it's better to have your delusions made visible.

@VeronicaM27
Correct me if I'm wrong but there's no actual evidence that these things happened.
I can't believe you actually wrote that. However...

If you are so deeply enmeshed in conspiracy theory, there's probably no point sharing the firsthand accounts of festival survivors or descriptions by the forensic team who have been trying to piece together what's left of people.

You might have the stomach to browse a site like hamas-massacre.net, especially as you'll probably dismiss it all as something hastily mocked up by Hollywood. After all, everyone knows Hollywood is just a bunch of Jews!

🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️ of course there's evidence of beheadings and raping on 7th October. You just won't trust any of it because it was reported by Israelis. Not the government, not the IDF but an Israeli volunteer organisation. But because they're Israeli you refuse to believe them. Plenty of journalists have been shown footage of what happened. They believe it. Why the hell won't you?! Why won't you believe Hamas themselves when they say they've done something? When they've filmed themselves doing it? That they will do it again?

Honestly, you are exactly what's wrong with this world. Pretending Hamas aren't pure evil, that proven events didn't happen.

No one is willing to admit that there is zero evidence of these claims. On another thread some posters like you and I tried to say this, and we got called antisemitic ffs.

There's a lot of people using the rapes of women and beheading of babies etc to justify what Israel is doing. Correct me if I'm wrong but there's no actual evidence that these things happened. I'm not saying they didn't happen but I'm going to need more proof than the Israeli government saying so. They're well known to use propaganda.

Well, no, not least because the girl in question was Israeli:

"According to reports in the Israeli media, the girl - whose father is a non-commissioned officer in the army - was living with her family at an air base in the south of Israel. She began to have sex with soldiers and workers at the base from the age of 11 until the age of 14. [...] The soldiers questioned in the case said that the girl told them she was 16 or 17, and that they had no idea of her real age. [...] The girl's family has since moved from the base and she has been in hospital several times for psychiatric illness, the reports said."

Israel are probably worse because they hide behind being a legitimate state and think they can legitimise ethnic cleansing.

amp.theguardian.com/world/2006/may/02/israel

"At least 17 soldiers and five civilians are under investigation for the rape of an 11-year-old girl at an Israeli air base, the military confirmed yesterday."

This happened in 2006. Would this have justified bombing the shit out of Israeli civilians?

People who kill other people are not good people. This idea that Isreal is not as bad as Hamas because XXXXXXXX is nonsense. They are killing people EVERY day.
The only reason a “two state” solution is suggested is because Israelis insist treating Palestinian lives as less. They seem to operate a system where your religion dictates how worthy you are. In the rest of the world we don’t really ever endorse that view.

Hamas is worse than Israel. Hamas is terrorist. Israel is a legitimate state which thankfully the UK and US support. Israel is on the side of democracy.

However in war innocent people are killed. Israel is going bit by bit through the tunnels and is not deliberately trying to kill innocent people. Indeed it warned right at the start when Gaza had full telecoms that everyone should leave the Northern half.

Israel has 9m people (and Gaza about 2m about half of which are under 18 as it is one of the youngest populations on earth). There are about 3m on the West Bank. I have always favoured a two state solution which Israel has proposed but as the enemy wants Israel eradicated and no Israel there has been no choice but to continue with Israel as Israel and the West Bank and Gaza not a separate country.

That is just a stupid justification for the mass killing of innocent children. Are you saying that no members of the IDF or none of the men in Israel rape women? Or even that there isn’t a single rapist in the leadership of Israel government. What exactly is your point? At least they do it quietly without getting the press involved!?

What main stream media like to do is make up propaganda and create fake news about Hamas. They need to make them look as evil as possible. The only problem is they never have any real evidence to back the claims. Yes the attacks and murders happened on the 7th of October, but there is no evidence of babies killed in ovens, beheaded, women raped etc. zero evidence from independent agencies. Yes the Israeli government makes these claims but they are liars and ordinary sane people have stopped belonging their bullshit. An army that commits genocide of innocent babies and unarmed children cannot be believed. No sane person can believe the words of racist murders. They are criminals. We don’t trust criminals.

There are similars claims from the other side. The Palestinians saying that their women and children are raped but the idf. But you never hear them taken seriously. No one creating thread about those claims.
Some people don’t even believe that Palestinians babies have died despite there being thousands of videos and images.
Little point in creating random threads with claims made by the Israeli government. Other than mumsnet, the vast majority world doesn’t trust them. Hard to trust anyone who can stand there and continue to ethnic cleanse Muslims and murder innocent babies regardless of what happened in the past.

This was in 2006. Do you know what the result of the enquiry was?

Rape is used as a weapon by both sides of the conflict: eg the IDF is currently investigating Israeli soldiers gangraping an 11 yo Palestinian girl who was taken in custody. I personally think it’s abhorrant - another example of women being punished for the actions of men.

But in general, beyond this specific conflict, rape is weaponised anyway during times of conflict. I’ve heard some real horror stories from girls and women who fled the Congo, for example, and it frustrates me that people in the west / western media only ever decide to step up and call it out for white / white passing women.

Absolutely this!