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armchairactivist1 · 25/10/2023 18:35

Something I keep coming back to.. for the people whose sympathies lie with the Palestinians and think an eye for an eye and that Hamas have been pushed to act the way they have, how do you justify the brutal rape of women by Hamas?
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JustAMinutePleass · 09/11/2023 15:56

Creatingusernamesismygame · 09/11/2023 11:15

Equally, plenty of people believe that Israel have a hidden agenda and their only priority is ethnic cleansing of Muslim people. Nothing else. Plenty of evidence from Palestinian volunteers and charity workers to suggest it’s true. Why won’t you believe that?

Plenty of evidence from Arab Israelis and external organisations of all religions that it’s true.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2016/03/08/israels-religiously-divided-society/

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/05/25/most-israeli-jews-do-not-see-a-lot-of-discrimination-in-their-society/

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-know-about-arab-citizens-israel

Israel’s Religiously Divided Society

There are deep divisions in Israeli society over political values and religion's role in public life -- not only between Jews and the Arab minority, but also among the religious subgroups that make up Israeli Jewry.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2016/03/08/israels-religiously-divided-society/

JustAMinutePleass · 09/11/2023 15:49

Creatingusernamesismygame · 09/11/2023 15:15

So you admit you lied about me supporting Hamas?
Now read my post again. I said, they like to exaggerate what Hamas do. What they’re actually capable of. I said any claims coming out of Israel that has zero evidence to back it is is hard to believe, especially when it come from those who support and justify innocent deaths.
Im glad you posted because I can use you as an example now. Did you see how you lied about me or exaggerating about me, claiming I support Hamas? When I clearly never said that. Well it is the same thing I reckon. Tut tut.

I will say it once again, I can’t trust a word that comes from a group of people that are capable of denying murdering babies and children in their thousands is acceptable. No respect for a liar or coward. Doesn’t make me antisemitic or pro Hamas.

These same fanatic Israel supporters are also finding ways to justify the forced sterilisation of black Jews in Palestine and Israel & are calling for a Nakba of Muslim Israelis. They will justify anything that Israel and Netenyahu says and does as they’re fantatics and just as the radical Hindus who murder and rape in ‘god’s name’ in India don’t represent me, I don’t think these fanatic Israeli / Zionists represent most Jews / Arabs. It actually concerns me that some people are conflating anti-Zionism with anti-semetism as a way of shutting down criticism of what Israel is doing. There is no way, no way at all, that ‘getting Hamas’ is worth 10,000+ Palestian child deaths.

Humdingerydoo · 09/11/2023 15:33

Creatingusernamesismygame · 09/11/2023 15:15

So you admit you lied about me supporting Hamas?
Now read my post again. I said, they like to exaggerate what Hamas do. What they’re actually capable of. I said any claims coming out of Israel that has zero evidence to back it is is hard to believe, especially when it come from those who support and justify innocent deaths.
Im glad you posted because I can use you as an example now. Did you see how you lied about me or exaggerating about me, claiming I support Hamas? When I clearly never said that. Well it is the same thing I reckon. Tut tut.

I will say it once again, I can’t trust a word that comes from a group of people that are capable of denying murdering babies and children in their thousands is acceptable. No respect for a liar or coward. Doesn’t make me antisemitic or pro Hamas.

No, I didn't lie about you supporting Hamas. I misunderstood your saying the massacre on 7th October wasn't as bad as people are saying to mean that you support the actions. I apologise for getting it wrong. Clearly you don't support Hamas.

I also incorrectly interpreted your comments about Israel's only priority being ethnic cleansing of Muslims to imply you hate Israel and want it gone, which is one of Hamas' stated aims. I added 2+2 and got 5. I'm sorry. You're right, you never said any of these things and it's my bad for inferring things from your comments.

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Creatingusernamesismygame · 09/11/2023 15:15

Humdingerydoo · 09/11/2023 14:38

Really not sure why my posts are being deleted? Oh well.

Edited - Oh right, it's for saying she supports Hamas. My apologies.

"What main stream media like to do is make up propaganda and create fake news about Hamas. They need to make them look as evil as possible. The only problem is they never have any real evidence to back the claims." So maybe not supporting them, my bad. Just excusing them and thinking they're not evil.

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So you admit you lied about me supporting Hamas?
Now read my post again. I said, they like to exaggerate what Hamas do. What they’re actually capable of. I said any claims coming out of Israel that has zero evidence to back it is is hard to believe, especially when it come from those who support and justify innocent deaths.
Im glad you posted because I can use you as an example now. Did you see how you lied about me or exaggerating about me, claiming I support Hamas? When I clearly never said that. Well it is the same thing I reckon. Tut tut.

I will say it once again, I can’t trust a word that comes from a group of people that are capable of denying murdering babies and children in their thousands is acceptable. No respect for a liar or coward. Doesn’t make me antisemitic or pro Hamas.

MableT · 09/11/2023 14:45

Alcemeg · 09/11/2023 14:44

Gosh!

No offence to anyone, but religion seems to be even more dangerous than alcohol. Widely accepted but lethal.

Good point.

Alcemeg · 09/11/2023 14:44

MableT · 09/11/2023 14:39

No doubt the Muslim woman has been brainwashed. I saw an awful scene of a woman being beaten by thick branches by 3 such heroic 'men'. She was in so much pain yet all she cared about was keeping on her head covering.

Gosh!

No offence to anyone, but religion seems to be even more dangerous than alcohol. Widely accepted but lethal.

MableT · 09/11/2023 14:39

Alcemeg · 09/11/2023 14:37

...and you know, if we all want to play the propaganda game, we could just share crap like this. I generally prefer not to because there are nutters on both sides, so it's not really helpful. Also, not speaking the language myself, I have no idea whether the translation is accurate. It appears to show a Muslim woman literally recommending the rape of women, which is quite relevant to this thread topic.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hamasdeadlyattack/comments/17oz814/discussting_a_muslim_interpretation_which_allow/

No doubt the Muslim woman has been brainwashed. I saw an awful scene of a woman being beaten by thick branches by 3 such heroic 'men'. She was in so much pain yet all she cared about was keeping on her head covering.

Humdingerydoo · 09/11/2023 14:38

Really not sure why my posts are being deleted? Oh well.

Edited - Oh right, it's for saying she supports Hamas. My apologies.

"What main stream media like to do is make up propaganda and create fake news about Hamas. They need to make them look as evil as possible. The only problem is they never have any real evidence to back the claims." So maybe not supporting them, my bad. Just excusing them and thinking they're not evil.

MableT · 09/11/2023 14:37

Creatingusernamesismygame · 09/11/2023 13:44

So by saying the idf are shooting bombing unarmed Palestinian children, I am pro Hamas?
yeah that’s why I will never support any view you support. It’s people like you that have opened our eyes to how you promote pro Palestinian hate. You really want to make the Palestinians seem like the bad guys don’t you. Like I said before, screaming lies about people doesn’t make them more believable.

Everything is so neatly compartmentalised for you isn't it? Israel wrong, Palestine right. You're not alone in your insular ideology. Many other neither use nor ornament brigade have jumped on the marches.

Alcemeg · 09/11/2023 14:37

...and you know, if we all want to play the propaganda game, we could just share crap like this. I generally prefer not to because there are nutters on both sides, so it's not really helpful. Also, not speaking the language myself, I have no idea whether the translation is accurate. It appears to show a Muslim woman literally recommending the rape of women, which is quite relevant to this thread topic.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hamasdeadlyattack/comments/17oz814/discussting_a_muslim_interpretation_which_allow/

Reddit - Dive into anything

https://www.reddit.com/r/hamasdeadlyattack/comments/17oz814/discussting_a_muslim_interpretation_which_allow

Humdingerydoo · 09/11/2023 14:32

EasterIssland · 09/11/2023 14:14

@Humdingerydoo would like to know where you got that quoted sentence from as the person you’re accusing to be pro hamas hasn’t said it. Stop harassing people that don’t have the same opinion as you

No problem, I got the quote from the propaganda she added to her most recent post.

I am not harassing her, I'm replying to her insane comments about Israel. Have you seen her posts?

Alcemeg · 09/11/2023 14:31

EasterIssland · 09/11/2023 14:14

@Humdingerydoo would like to know where you got that quoted sentence from as the person you’re accusing to be pro hamas hasn’t said it. Stop harassing people that don’t have the same opinion as you

It's from the image they shared in their post.

godknows whether the name "Babit Yariel" was generated by AI, as it sounds... but the image itself is just a random photo of an Israeli soldier, pinched from an article published in June, see below.

It's all very well just copy/pasting bullshit from social media, but I do wish people would be more careful. Earlier on this thread, a PP has just shared an old article describing the rape of an 11-year-old girl by 17 IDF and Israelis, as though this was the gang rape of a Palestinian child. It was actually the daughter of an IDF officer who had had numerous sexual liaisons, pretending to be an older teen. Not that that makes it inoffensive, but it's certainly nothing to do with Palestine.

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EasterIssland · 09/11/2023 14:14

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@Humdingerydoo would like to know where you got that quoted sentence from as the person you’re accusing to be pro hamas hasn’t said it. Stop harassing people that don’t have the same opinion as you

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So by saying the idf are shooting bombing unarmed Palestinian children, I am pro Hamas?
yeah that’s why I will never support any view you support. It’s people like you that have opened our eyes to how you promote pro Palestinian hate. You really want to make the Palestinians seem like the bad guys don’t you. Like I said before, screaming lies about people doesn’t make them more believable.

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Creatingusernamesismygame · 09/11/2023 13:27

I find it extremely difficult to respect or believe a bunch of cowards murdering innocent, unarmed children. I can’t take their world for it I’m afraid.
No matter how hard I try, I cannot justify how the Israeli army is continuing to mass murder innocent Palestinians.
I can’t understand how a country with such a powerful army, technology and support around the world, needs to continue to murder babies. How, with their power and technology and advances, can they not provide shelter to Palestinian children and women at least? How can they not carry out special operations with their special forces, to root out Hamas and minimise those deaths. The only reason is because they have zero intention or care to minimise the deaths if in one by Palestinian children.
Of course this is about ethnic cleansing. Why do you act so surprised to hear it from me? Have you not been on social media recently. Have you not seen the tens and thousands of protesters around the world? Don’t act like I’m in the minority thinking this war is not more than just destroying Hamas.

Creatingusernamesismygame · 09/11/2023 13:11

Humdingerydoo · 09/11/2023 12:53

I honestly don't even know where to begin with this. Absolute lunacy.

Maybe we'll start with you proving that's Israel's hidden agenda, and then I can provide proof of why you're wrong? There's no other way for me to do this. You surely can't expect me to believe something without any proof whatsoever, just by you saying that other people have proof. Which they don't. Because what you're saying is absolute lunacy.

Israel's only priority is ethnic cleansing 🤯🤯🤯🤯 I'd laugh if I didn't find it so concerning that you seem to actually believe it?! Batshit crazy. No other words for it.

Ok let’s try to explain how a country that claims it is a democracy and abides by the UN laws, it is refusing to stop massacres of babies despite being wanted by so many countries around the world. Why are so many shelters, children, women, hospitals, schools and mosques being targeted only?? Israel has the power and skills to minimise deaths of innocent unarmed children. Considering the the civilians have no weapons It’s has the ability to take on Hamas by providing humanitarian aid and shelter to civilians. It’s 10k plus deaths now and they really don’t give a shit.

Parker231 · 09/11/2023 13:01

TomeTome · 09/11/2023 10:35

People who kill other people are not good people. This idea that Isreal is not as bad as Hamas because XXXXXXXX is nonsense. They are killing people EVERY day.
The only reason a “two state” solution is suggested is because Israelis insist treating Palestinian lives as less. They seem to operate a system where your religion dictates how worthy you are. In the rest of the world we don’t really ever endorse that view.

Agreed! An Israeli life isn’t worth more than a Palestinian and vice versa.

Alcemeg · 09/11/2023 12:58

VeronicaM27 · 09/11/2023 12:46

@MableT That is absolutely horrific what happened to that poor man. No one is saying Hamas are the good guys here. There are hundreds, if not thousands of equally horrific videos of Palestinian children who have been horrifically maimed by Israeli bombs. Are you saying Israel is justified in doing that?

People on both sides condemn Hamas for what they have done. The same can't be said for the people who condemn Israel.

I really resent being accused of valuing one nation's lives over another. It seems like a stubborn refusal to allow for the obvious differences between the inevitable civilian deaths that happen during war (especially war against an opponent like Hamas, which deliberately exploits sensitive targets), versus the deliberately sadistic and brutal slaying of a person face to face.

Israel is so used to being bombed by Gaza that the Nova festivalgoers took no notice of the missiles at first. Many survivors of that massacre comment on how much Hamas, and the Gazans who accompanied them, were clearly enjoying their spree: laughing as they raped women and then stabbed them to death, or vice versa... and all the other mind-numbingly horrific atrocities they carried out. It was like a happy day out for them. One they couldn't wait to share on social media in all its glory.

You get some idea of their excitement here:

Watch: Bulldozer tears down section of Israel-Gaza border fence

Video captures a bulldozer tearing down a portion of the fence that marked the Israel-Gaza border after Hamas launched its biggest attack on Israel in decade...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8eEUzyEBOM

Humdingerydoo · 09/11/2023 12:53

Creatingusernamesismygame · 09/11/2023 11:15

Equally, plenty of people believe that Israel have a hidden agenda and their only priority is ethnic cleansing of Muslim people. Nothing else. Plenty of evidence from Palestinian volunteers and charity workers to suggest it’s true. Why won’t you believe that?

I honestly don't even know where to begin with this. Absolute lunacy.

Maybe we'll start with you proving that's Israel's hidden agenda, and then I can provide proof of why you're wrong? There's no other way for me to do this. You surely can't expect me to believe something without any proof whatsoever, just by you saying that other people have proof. Which they don't. Because what you're saying is absolute lunacy.

Israel's only priority is ethnic cleansing 🤯🤯🤯🤯 I'd laugh if I didn't find it so concerning that you seem to actually believe it?! Batshit crazy. No other words for it.

MableT · 09/11/2023 12:48

VeronicaM27 · 09/11/2023 12:46

@MableT That is absolutely horrific what happened to that poor man. No one is saying Hamas are the good guys here. There are hundreds, if not thousands of equally horrific videos of Palestinian children who have been horrifically maimed by Israeli bombs. Are you saying Israel is justified in doing that?

People on both sides condemn Hamas for what they have done. The same can't be said for the people who condemn Israel.

I believe the whole thing is a total mess which there's no coming back from. It sometimes feels shameful to enjoy yourself when you know the situation in the ME

VeronicaM27 · 09/11/2023 12:46

@MableT That is absolutely horrific what happened to that poor man. No one is saying Hamas are the good guys here. There are hundreds, if not thousands of equally horrific videos of Palestinian children who have been horrifically maimed by Israeli bombs. Are you saying Israel is justified in doing that?

People on both sides condemn Hamas for what they have done. The same can't be said for the people who condemn Israel.

MableT · 09/11/2023 12:38

Creatingusernamesismygame · 09/11/2023 11:06

No one is willing to admit that there is zero evidence of these claims. On another thread some posters like you and I tried to say this, and we got called antisemitic ffs.

Shani Loik, do you remember her? Don't have the nerve to say pro Israel lack humanity again, when you can post what you have.

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