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Justifying the rape of women

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armchairactivist1 · 25/10/2023 18:35

Something I keep coming back to.. for the people whose sympathies lie with the Palestinians and think an eye for an eye and that Hamas have been pushed to act the way they have, how do you justify the brutal rape of women by Hamas?
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Popolop · 10/11/2023 09:59

@VeronicaM27 well, they certainly are being incompetent at "eliminating Hamas" in Gaza, when 99% or so of the people they have killed so far have been innocent civilians, and mostly women and children.

VeronicaM27 · 10/11/2023 09:53

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyO8YdJGp6/?utmmsource=igwebbcopy_link

Here is a very interesting video that lays out evidence of how a lot of the hostages might have actually been killed by the Israeli forces. It does paint a picture of the Israeli forces being very incompetent in their response to the attack by Hamas.

Alcemeg · 10/11/2023 09:16

Popolop · 10/11/2023 09:15

@Alcemeg when someone (Israeli govt) has proven themselves time and time again to be a liar, a propaganda spreader and an intimidating bully, we have to stop trusting or listening to their bullshit.

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Yes I agree, the bloke is clearly a total wanker and should not have that job, of all jobs 🤦🏻‍♀️

Popolop · 10/11/2023 09:15

@Alcemeg when someone (Israeli govt) has proven themselves time and time again to be a liar, a propaganda spreader and an intimidating bully, we have to stop trusting or listening to their bullshit.

Alcemeg · 10/11/2023 09:14

VeronicaM27 · 10/11/2023 09:07

@Alcemeg

Sorry, I should have said any information that hasn't also been verified by and independent source. That wasn't me trying to imply October 7th didn't happen.

Thanks for confirming! I hope you can understand my twitchiness on this sort of thing. There seem to be an awful lot of people denying 7 October, and it's only been a month. Social media has a lot to answer for... Everyone can be a Lord Haw-Haw!

VeronicaM27 · 10/11/2023 09:07

@Alcemeg

Sorry, I should have said any information that hasn't also been verified by and independent source. That wasn't me trying to imply October 7th didn't happen.

Alcemeg · 10/11/2023 09:05

VeronicaM27 · 10/11/2023 08:52

x.com/ofirgendelman/status/1722561334858961025?s=46&t=H7RsBMUqqEi6HTuLgy64hg

Here is the Israeli Prime Minister's spokesman showing a video that claims to show Palestinians faking their injuries. Except this is a movie shot in Lebanon by Lebanese actors.

It's exactly these sort of lies and propaganda that makes it impossible to believe any information coming out of Israel.

Oh dear! 🤦‍♀️ His X profile calls him "The Israeli Prime Minister's spokesperson to the Arab world" ... What a joke.

But does such a fuckwit really make it "impossible to believe any information coming out of Israel" - ANY information?

VeronicaM27 · 10/11/2023 08:52

x.com/ofirgendelman/status/1722561334858961025?s=46&t=H7RsBMUqqEi6HTuLgy64hg

Here is the Israeli Prime Minister's spokesman showing a video that claims to show Palestinians faking their injuries. Except this is a movie shot in Lebanon by Lebanese actors.

It's exactly these sort of lies and propaganda that makes it impossible to believe any information coming out of Israel.

Noelectricheating · 09/11/2023 23:26

SomeCatFromJapan · 09/11/2023 22:16

@WilmaWonka I've just read the same report. Some footage is included of part of the aftermath.

Massive trigger warning. Not the stuff I'd ever usually post but apparently all bets are off with this stuff now:

https://twitter.com/Dr_logicaI/status/1722693142183297475

Omg that's disgusting. Those poor women and girls. Brutally raoed and mutilated. The terrorists are barbaric. No wonder Israel are hunting them down.
@SadTimes96 and others like them won't believe it though. The hatred for Jewish people is so entrenched they deny the brutality committed against them.
Shameful and shocking

EasternStandard · 09/11/2023 22:31

SadTimes96 · 09/11/2023 22:26

No independent journalist confirmed rape.

I’m not sure why anyone would post this

What do you think of Hamas?

SomeCatFromJapan · 09/11/2023 22:29

No independent journalist confirmed rape.

Can you hear yourself? Is that the legal standard in a rape trial, for instance?

SadTimes96 · 09/11/2023 22:26

Noelectricheating · 09/11/2023 21:44

This.

The minimising, dismissal and comments of not proven around the sadistic, barbaric rapes of women at a festival and kibbutz is disgusting.

Is it because they were Jewish. Listen to yourselves. Independent journalists sat and watched Hamas recorded footage and wept. It happened. This site is mainly women. I feel disgust towards those denying, minimising or excusing, absolute rapes, absolute disgust. Rape is vile.

I don't what to hear back with your whataboutery, you didn't see it on Tic toc so it didn't happen crap. I won't reply, you don't deserve a reply, your comments are horrible.

How vile some women are about what happened to other women.

No independent journalist confirmed rape.

SomeCatFromJapan · 09/11/2023 22:16

@WilmaWonka I've just read the same report. Some footage is included of part of the aftermath.

Massive trigger warning. Not the stuff I'd ever usually post but apparently all bets are off with this stuff now:

https://twitter.com/Dr_logicaI/status/1722693142183297475

https://twitter.com/Dr_logicaI/status/1722693142183297475

WilmaWonka · 09/11/2023 22:10

Jyst seen a report of an eyewitness statement of Palestinians gang raping an Israeli woman on 7th October and the last one to take a turn shooting her in the head while carrying on raping her.

Of course I suppose posters like @Creatingusernamesismygame want videos or it didn’t happen.

I take it @Creatingusernamesismygame accepts that the Palestinian government did kill some Israelis on October 7th but not that they raped anybody. I mean it’s not like setting children on fire and hacking off someone’s head with a garden hoe is any worse than rape is it. Their moral standards must have stopped short of that?

How the actual fuck anyone could believe anything the people who are capable of committing and/or videoing themselves cheering ‘god is great’ and celebrating atrocities like that,(and bragging to their mothers how many Jews they’d killed) say is absolutely shocking and indicative of them having the brain capacity of a gerbil or being truly evil themselves IMO.

Alcemeg · 09/11/2023 21:59

MableT · 09/11/2023 21:57

Yes, that's more the point !

Sorry, I changed it. We can't be too careful with AI, as there are probably algorithms that trigger more aggressive posts 😉

MableT · 09/11/2023 21:57

Alcemeg · 09/11/2023 21:56

True.

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Yes, that's more the point !

Alcemeg · 09/11/2023 21:56

MableT · 09/11/2023 21:54

Well said but I'm starting to doubt some of these outrageous posts are coming from women.

True.

MableT · 09/11/2023 21:54

Noelectricheating · 09/11/2023 21:44

This.

The minimising, dismissal and comments of not proven around the sadistic, barbaric rapes of women at a festival and kibbutz is disgusting.

Is it because they were Jewish. Listen to yourselves. Independent journalists sat and watched Hamas recorded footage and wept. It happened. This site is mainly women. I feel disgust towards those denying, minimising or excusing, absolute rapes, absolute disgust. Rape is vile.

I don't what to hear back with your whataboutery, you didn't see it on Tic toc so it didn't happen crap. I won't reply, you don't deserve a reply, your comments are horrible.

How vile some women are about what happened to other women.

Well said but I'm starting to doubt some of these outrageous posts are coming from women.

Noelectricheating · 09/11/2023 21:44

HermioneWeasley · 25/10/2023 18:57

People seem not to have read the OP.

women are normally horrified by rape, including rape as a war crime. Hamas raped women and children so violently they broke their pelvises. Nothing Israel has done or could ever do could possibly justify this, but this thread shows posters dismissing, minimising and saying they don’t believe the Israeli reports, despite Hamas’s own footage showing horrendous atrocities (but we all know Jews are sneaky and devious, don’t we?).

This.

The minimising, dismissal and comments of not proven around the sadistic, barbaric rapes of women at a festival and kibbutz is disgusting.

Is it because they were Jewish. Listen to yourselves. Independent journalists sat and watched Hamas recorded footage and wept. It happened. This site is mainly women. I feel disgust towards those denying, minimising or excusing, absolute rapes, absolute disgust. Rape is vile.

I don't what to hear back with your whataboutery, you didn't see it on Tic toc so it didn't happen crap. I won't reply, you don't deserve a reply, your comments are horrible.

How vile some women are about what happened to other women.

Creatingusernamesismygame · 09/11/2023 17:31

Humdingerydoo · 09/11/2023 16:07

I haven't called you anti-semitic. I don't think that speaking up for the Palestinians is the same as being pro Hamas. I think some of your rhetoric has come across as you being pro-Hamas. I haven't said that about every other person advocating for Palestinians on here. Only you. Your views have seemed particularly extreme.

But as you said you don't support Hamas I'm going to have to take that at face value and admit I was wrong. I think you need to tone down your rhetoric though as it's absolutely bonkers. Maybe also try calling Hamas terrorists as I don't think I've seen you do so yet? Just so I know there's something we can agree on.

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Hamas are terrorists. Absolutely. Those young people murdered on the 7th of October goes against everything I believe in. It’s horrible. They were innocents. Hamas should be punished accordingly. When Israel struck back after the 7th of October, I fully understood that they had to and if they did nothing similar attacks would happen A month later and the whole world is pleading with Israel to ceasefire and find a way of minimising the suffering and deaths of innocent civilians. But Israel have instead upped their game and increased the intensity of bombings. Bombings that are killing 160+ children every single day. They are going against all laws of war and the UN. There comes a point where you start questioning the real motive here. It makes you worry that if they don’t care of being held accountable for war crimes then
What hasn’t helped the situation is, people like Suella saying peaceful marches for Palestine are hate marches. Displaying a Palestinian flag is an act of terror. Etc. when it really isn’t. The only thing all this nonsense is doing is, making people like me more determined to be the voice of the those who don’t have a voice.
To me it’s not about the Palestinians, it’s about how a democratic country is getting away with the murder of innocent children in 2023. 2 wrongs have never made a right. And what Israel are doing to the Palestinians today is no longer proportional or proper. If they get away with it, in the future another country may think they can do the same. Laws of war and the UN are totally useless then if one country chooses to do as it pleases.

Alcemeg · 09/11/2023 16:27

Perhaps "creating user names" is not just the only "game" being played...

SomeCatFromJapan · 09/11/2023 16:22

@Creatingusernamesismygame that sniper thing isn't true btw:

https://twitter.com/aziz0nomics/status/1722482569097228430

https://twitter.com/aziz0nomics/status/1722482569097228430

Alcemeg · 09/11/2023 16:15

Creatingusernamesismygame · 09/11/2023 15:58

You tried to lie. You got caught. Now you’re claiming it was a “misunderstanding” and that you “misinterpreted” my comments.
Even if it wasn’t a lie, you clearly tried to jump on the same wagon that says speaking up for Palestinians makes me pro Hamas or antisemitic. Not the same. I am allowed my view without being labelled as something I am not.

I'm afraid this is the sort of post that makes rational debate impossible.

Humdingerydoo · 09/11/2023 16:07

Creatingusernamesismygame · 09/11/2023 15:58

You tried to lie. You got caught. Now you’re claiming it was a “misunderstanding” and that you “misinterpreted” my comments.
Even if it wasn’t a lie, you clearly tried to jump on the same wagon that says speaking up for Palestinians makes me pro Hamas or antisemitic. Not the same. I am allowed my view without being labelled as something I am not.

I haven't called you anti-semitic. I don't think that speaking up for the Palestinians is the same as being pro Hamas. I think some of your rhetoric has come across as you being pro-Hamas. I haven't said that about every other person advocating for Palestinians on here. Only you. Your views have seemed particularly extreme.

But as you said you don't support Hamas I'm going to have to take that at face value and admit I was wrong. I think you need to tone down your rhetoric though as it's absolutely bonkers. Maybe also try calling Hamas terrorists as I don't think I've seen you do so yet? Just so I know there's something we can agree on.

Creatingusernamesismygame · 09/11/2023 15:58

Humdingerydoo · 09/11/2023 15:33

No, I didn't lie about you supporting Hamas. I misunderstood your saying the massacre on 7th October wasn't as bad as people are saying to mean that you support the actions. I apologise for getting it wrong. Clearly you don't support Hamas.

I also incorrectly interpreted your comments about Israel's only priority being ethnic cleansing of Muslims to imply you hate Israel and want it gone, which is one of Hamas' stated aims. I added 2+2 and got 5. I'm sorry. You're right, you never said any of these things and it's my bad for inferring things from your comments.

You tried to lie. You got caught. Now you’re claiming it was a “misunderstanding” and that you “misinterpreted” my comments.
Even if it wasn’t a lie, you clearly tried to jump on the same wagon that says speaking up for Palestinians makes me pro Hamas or antisemitic. Not the same. I am allowed my view without being labelled as something I am not.

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