Justifying the rape of women

@Humdingerydoo

Where did I say that all of these horrendous things didn't happen?

I was specifically asking if there were any verified sources that confirm rape occurred. I also acknowledged in my previous post that these questions were in poor taste and have agreed not to bring it up again.

I agree there are some posters that seem to deliberately post provocative content to stir the pot. If you're in any doubt please report to MN.

I think it’s a tactic

What to do about that I’m not sure other than to say it’s repellent

The constant demands for evidence and footage of rapes do appear quite prurient.

It did occur to me that posters like this might just be deliberately twisting the knife. I hope that's not the case, but it seems that we are only [re-]traumatising ourselves by sharing this kind of information. It appears to make no dent in the indifference.

Right, what evidence would you like? You've already been sent a link with a video of a victim who was raped, scalped, stabbed, not necessarily in that order. I have a video of a school right next to a weapons factory, or a scout building used to launch rockets. Hamas filmed themselves massacring and kidnapping so you presumably don't need any further evidence of that. They also filmed themselves stomping and spitting on people (dead and alive) that they brought into Gaza. What other lies would you like us to debunk for you today? What can we possibly do to convince you that all these horrendous things happened?

What has the deaths of the children got to do with the rape issue? 🤔

I'd just like to clarify that rape is utterly horrific and nothing justifies it.

Just like nothing justifies killing over 4,000 innocent children.

If you think Israel is justified in killing these children then you hold no moral superiority over me.

@VeronicaM27 no I didn't say I saw footage of actual rapes in progress, I said what I did see persuaded me that claims of rapes were highly plausible and in fact it was highly unlikely that mass rapes did not occur.

Are we supposed to just believe it without any evidence?
It's hard to argue with someone who won't accept evidence unless it's the firsthand account of women who are dead.

I suspect even that won't do.

Same here. I’m not Jewish but find it distressing for the reasons you and @MableT say

Are we supposed to just believe it without any evidence?
It's hard to argue with someone who won't accept evidence unless it's the firsthand account of women who are dead.

Do you really think that that poor girl whose naked body was paraded to be spat on undressed herself for fun?

Yes; just to point out that I am not Israeli or Jewish and have no "skin in the game" as it were. Thank fuck, because I would hate to be more traumatised than I already am at a distance.

@Popolop Thank you for your perspective.

Regarding my motives, it seems to me that Israel are using a lot of lies and propaganda to justify their slaughtering of Palestinians. Are we supposed to just believe it without any evidence?

I do see your point though about arguing about whether women were raped or not being in poor taste so I will leave it at that and not bring it up again.

I don't believe it's naivety. There is a clear strategy on this board. The Jewish community are being harassed left, right and centre. Much of the harassment is transparent, out there in the real world. On this board, it is insidious.

Everyone has been able to answer it with enormous patience and tolerance for what I hope is your naivety (giving you the benefit of the doubt).

The fact that you apparently have no answers to the questions you're asking says more about the questions you're asking and the agenda you are determined to pursue.

Raz Cohen, a Nova festival survivor, describes quite a few things, but specifically the rapes (from 01:40 here)

To quote: "The terrorists... people from Gaza... raped girls. And after they raped them, they killed them - murdered them with knives... Or the opposite: killed, and after they raped - did that. They laughed. They always laughed. I can't forget how they laughed on the - in this situation."

There are plenty more firsthand accounts like this on YouTube, if you can be arsed to search for e.g. "nova festival survivor."

But no doubt you will dismiss this guy as a paid actor in service to the evil Israeli plan to wipe out all Palestinians just because they feel like it and the world won't care (eerrrrmmmm....?!??!).

I did wonder at first why he corrected himself to "people from Gaza" but it's now clear, sadly.

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All of this.

The reporting is very one-sided. Don't forget that Hamas killed 14 hundred Israelies in their unprovoked attack - even though the media seems to have forgotten this. Also don't forget that the Palestinians voted Hamas in as their 'government' and that their whole purpose is the complete destruction of Israel. If Israel doesn't fight back, it will be destroyed.

Antisemitism is alive and well it appears.

@EasternStandard
You're right. I don't need to see it. Nor do I want to see it. I'm just asking if it actually exists and no one seems to be able to answer that.

@VeronicaM27 With due respect, I applaud the idea of standing up for Palestinians, but I am not sure your posts are helping because asking for evidence of rapes does make you seem rather unhinged and a conspiracy theorist (even if you believe what you are saying to be helpful or accurate) and I believe this kind of posting delegitimises the Palestinian cause in the eyes of others. It also does make pro-Palestinian posters question your motives as well.

Kindly, I do think there are better ways to debate against the Israeli govt's war in more nuanced and grown up ways.

@VeronicaM27

Why are you gaslighting rape, here, just what is your angle?

This, it’s hard enough to read about

@VeronicaM27 you don’t need to see it

Are you talking about the same footage?
https://twitter.com/Dr_logicaI/status/1722693142183297475