Justifying the rape of women

@Humdingerydoo yes I agree. They're angry about the conflict and expressing that anger by coming onto this thread and making offensive comments, basically. I suppose it makes a change from frightening autistic children at Costa

Yes @SomeCatFromJapan , why are you so opposed to justice for these victims? 🥹

I think maybe we leave this poster alone. The comments are genuinely disgusting enough that everyone can see exactly what this poster is all about. They're doing our job for us by outing themselves in such a spectacular way. Literally no one is stupid enough to believe that this poster cares a squat about the victims, they're clearly just here to be as offensive as possible.

And I would say you are, by suggesting it’s offensive for rape claims to be investigated. Talk about minimizing victims, by refusing them the right to an autopsy or kit. Do you think this is how victims should be treated?

Some Jewish people are indigenous to the area. Israelis as a nationality are not. It’s extremely antisemitic to conflate the two.

Can you link to where it states Zaka volunteers are trained in corpse handling and retrieval, outside of religious ceremony? At this point it seems their involvement has helped wiped away any evidence to help rape victims get justice.

ZAKA volunteers are trained. They're often also religious. Being religious does not make you an extremist.

Not sure what the founder has to do with October 7th? I assume you just mentioned him because you enjoy pointing out every single despicable Jew you can find? There is no other reason for you to have mentioned him. He had already been dead for over a year when Hamas started their massacre.

"even Israeli media couldn’t avoid reporting" then goes on to post something from Haaretz which has always been very vocal in it's criticism of the Israeli government 😂😂😂 Trying to make it sound as though it's some kind of big deal that Haaretz reported on something controversial, when they do it all the time.

With regards to your other post about "indigenous people"... I mean. Come on. Are you trying to pretend Jews aren't also indigenous to the area?

Ah yes, the same Israeli rituals that involve blocking aid trucks to a starving indigenous people? I think the world is truly aware of that country’s cultural values now.

But Zaka is a religious extremism group, made up of volunteers with no formal training in what they claim to do. To the point where their extremism relieves them of IDF duty. That’s not my opinion, that’s their charter. It was founded by a child sex offended who used religion to assault his victims. “After Yehuda Meshi-Zahav, ZAKA's co-founder and main figurehead for more than 30 years, was awarded the Israel Prize in March 2021,[23][24] multiple accusations surfaced of his having committed sexual assaults against women, girls and boys over several decades, with the knowledge of others in the community.[25][26][27] Channel 13 reported that ZAKA officials had known about the abuse allegations and worked to silence the claims.”

Oct 7 was monetized by Zaka, to the point where even Israeli media couldn’t avoid reporting on how its volunteers spread outrageous and Islamaphobic lies in order to generate donations. What dignity in death? <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.today/20240209154317/www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-01-31/ty-article-magazine/.premium/death-and-donations-did-the-volunteer-group-handling-the-october-7-dead-exploit-its-role/0000018d-5a73-d997-adff-df7bdb670000" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://archive.today/20240209154317/www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-01-31/ty-article-magazine/.premium/death-and-donations-did-the-volunteer-group-handling-the-october-7-dead-exploit-its-role/0000018d-5a73-d997-adff-df7bdb670000

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You're right, your thoughts really don't matter. Ridiculous, baseless thoughts never do.

Calling Zaka "a religious extremism group" is absurd. Their whole mission is to offer dignity in death, even if that death happened in the most horrific and undignified way.

@EasterIssland it's these kind of posts that are the reason I am very annoyed this thread was resurrected. I hope you understand now. This is the extent of rape denial going on in the anti-Israel brigade.

www.ynetnews.com/article/h1sajwrqa

www.ynetnews.com/health_science/article/hykkfr6i6

www.thejc.com/news/israel/new-testimony-reveal-grim-details-of-hamas-sexual-violence-against-hostages-gjp77j0i

I could keep going..... bit of Hamas with your morning denials and lack of knowledge about Israeli society and ritual.

@NewWaterBottle it's an excuse to undermine and sew the seeds out of doubt wrapped up in faux concern. It's disgusting and shouldn't be allowed on here.

Just when I think we have evolved and taken steps to as a community it is dragged Back into the gutter by certain parties.

It's is obvious what happened.
The footage is there (and now sadly available)
There is no room for doubt.

You do you do.

I am from a scientific background and know the importance of evidence and accurate reporting. But for some reason, in this war I find the obsession for legally -verified objective evidence at every stage really distasteful.

From social media reports and eye-witness accounts, I would say there is a reasonable amount of ‘soft evidence’ that Israeli women were horrifically raped and that the Israeli government has killed many innocent Palestinian civilians. It’s all devastating. The nitpicking makes me feel really uncomfortable. Maybe I am wrong for feeling that, I don’t know.

‘yeah that's bad, but ...'

This whole argument need to end, full stop.

We must not use it to justify the hideous rape of Israeli women by Hamas’ butchers.
We must not use it to justify the massacre of thousands of Palestinians by IDF murderers.

Each act is heinous, cruel and utterly wrong. Innocent people do not deserve this and one is not a defence for the other. So many people do it from ‘both sides’ and it makes me sick.

It doesn’t matter what I think happened. It does matter that families have not been given a cause of death for their loved ones or are having claims they say are false made about them to justify killing children. Claiming a dead woman was raped and mutilated when it’s unlikely to be true based on what her family has said is diabolical, her family is distraught that a religious extremism group like Zaka has done this to monetize her death.

If discussion about alleged sexual assaults upsets you, I’d suggest not reading threads about it.

There’s no mention of autopsies in that link, only eye witness testimony from groups like ZAKA which were responsible for the beheaded babies lie.
Officials were quoted in the NYT article that zero autopsies were conducted, were they lying then?

Israel has been doing forensic autopsies on all the victims of 7/10. It has been investigated from the very start, it is just a painstaking process. Israel hasn’t “blocked justice”!

These are medical staff doing it, so are considered to be independent. Their autopsy reports will be submitted to the ICC and ICJ to bring specific war criminals and leaders of Hamas to justice.
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/sj62yy7na

@Humdingerydoo thank goodness for the video evidence eh.... what with the rape victims being dead and everything?

So @Fancylike are you saying that you don't think rape and other sexual violence happened on October 7th? Or do you still think it happened but you enjoy upsetting people by having them discuss it and prove it over and over again?

Trigger warning....

https://www.gov.il/BlobFolder/news/arcci-submits-first-report-to-un-21-feb-2024/en/EnglishSwordssofIronnDOCUMENTS_ARCCI%20report%20-%20Hamas%20sexual%20crimes%20on%20october%207.pdf

Isn’t that the crux of the issue though - that Israel failed to carry out autopsies, didn’t photograph bodies, didn’t take rape kits, didn’t swab bodies, and won’t allow any independent investigation to be carried out. Sexual violence is not being taken seriously at all, other than being weaponised to justify the targeted bombing of children, journalists, hospitals.

The one woman named as a rape victim has had her family deny this, and accuse the NYT reporter (a former IDF intelligence officer who had never worked as a journalist previously but has a suspect online history regarding creating narratives to “scare Westerners”) of lying to them. These victims deserve their deaths being investigated, but Israel has blocked this justice.

I do not accept the "shit happens in war" argument. Yes, shit happens in war but rape or other sexual violence should not be one of them. Shit happens in war because people are fighting for their lives. Raping someone won't help save your life so there is no fucking excuse for it.