How effective is Israeli bombing, anyway?

Honestly reading some of these threads defending killing babies and children is disgusting. I cannot believe people truly believe this. I'm lying here with my baby and I cannot even comprehend children his age going through what is happening in Gaza. Sure, Israel was on the defence before but surely any idiot can now see they are on the offence and that's completely different. you sound like a psychopath @mushti your views are bone chilling.

Jesus. I cant believe you are quibbling about the amount of deaths. Its 6000 not its 4000.

Listen to yourself ffs

EXACTLY

Hamas have been saying 6000. Oxfam are saying 4000. The truth is nobody knows yet and even Oxfam can only go on the numbers coming in to them. However the numbers will be going up daily that is all people can be sure about.

I don't understand why people are willing to believe Hamas though. It amazing some of the stuff they have said so far, like they didn't take any hostages. Then they did take hostages. That they didn't hurt civilians, despite their own men live streaming them torturing, raping and killing civilians. However of course we believe there own death count and whatever else they say know 🤔

Nothing I have said justifies deaths. I am just answering the op's first post. The deaths are currently nothing compared to a what the ground invasion will be if it happens. So far we only have Hamas death figures to go on. We know nothing for sure until the final death count has been made by a more neutral party that isn't Hamas. Plus actually what I should have added and people fail to get is the number of people injured on both sides with bombings means eventually more deaths will be noticed. Seriously you have either no idea how to read a post or replied to the wrong post. Your reply has sod all to do with what I wrote. Else you just don't like someone responding logically to the op's first post. Frankly I don't give a toss whilst please don't brand me with your crazy responses to stuff you don't like hearing.

6000 people dead so far in Gaza. And Oxfam says they are essentially being starved to death -not Hamas reporting this - Oxfam. It's appalling. The Palestinians are victims of Hamas and are being punished by Israel.

The pp who said that Hamas keep getting voted in - the last election was in 2006. Gaza is made up of 50% children due to the low life expectancy there, so half the population weren't even born when Hamas came to power. And we don't know how many adults who are still alive there voted for Hamas.

And in recent days the Israeli government have made it very clear that they see all Gazans as legitimate targets:

"It’s an entire nation out there that is responsible,” Israeli President Isaac Herzog told reporters. “This rhetoric about civilians not aware, not involved, it’s absolutely not true. They could’ve risen up, they could have fought against that evil regime.”

Meanwhile how the hell did Israeli intelligence not have any idea about Hamas' plans? There are victims of the Israeli government on both sides of this conflict, just as there are victims of Hamas on both sides. This is all about two groups of men not giving a shit about humanity for their own cause.

One death is too many but don't believe the numbers coming from Hamas

I can’t believe you’re actually attempting to justify the deaths of 2000 children and more than 6000 people in total. What Israel is currently doing is genocide.

if anything the civilian deaths reported are likely to be much lower than the real number. There are estimated to be thousands buried under the rubble.

shame on you.

Bombing unless nuclear or a real big missle is a very unreliable way to kill people in general. What Israel are currently doing is taking out missile lurchers, hamas supplies, weapons storage areas and Hamas leaders homes etc. If Israel go in then the ground assault will mean way more deaths on both sides Killing people with guns granades is much easier and quicker.

If you look at coverage of Ukraine they showed whole building blocks with the front blow off. However the numbers of people that dead were amazingly small for the danger done. That is why Hamas death figures often seem inflated. I can imagine only half the numbers they are saying will be found dead at the end of all this. However that is still thousands of civilian lifes potentially. So a terrible lose and very tragic.

Until Hamas is destroyed. That's not a difficult question to answer

They would say the same.

Oh, were you responding to the post I quoted?

Wow. Do you have children? I've seen videos of newborns and small children screaming in the worst possible agony as illegal white phosphorus used by Israhell has rained down on them. And when being treated little kids are having amputated limbs worked on as doctors have run out of medical supplies, denied to them by israel. The ignorance and pure stupidity of people like you.

I wonder how long they can use the hamas card to enact hell on earth

WTF are you on about?

Wow. Do you have children? I've seen videos of newborns and small children screaming in the worst possible agony as illegal white phosphorus used by Israhell has rained down on them. And when being treated little kids are having amputated limbs worked on as doctors have run out of medical supplies, denied to them by israel. The ignorance and pure stupidity of people like you.

I wonder how long they can use the hamas card to enact hell on earth

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy1QzVyN3L3/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

But it’s ok for Illegal Israelis settlers to continuously steal the land and homes of Palestinians. It’s ok for IDF to kidnap children daily from Palestinian families and put them in prison. Why are families being targeted and killed in West Bank? What have they done?

I'm currently on mobile, though if you look for the cardinal's briefing on the warnings they got on YouTube, you can find his testimony about the IDF warnings.

Also, days later Al Quds was targeted. It's not a large stretch to say that the air force that has already targeted and bombed hospitals did so in this instance, as opposed to a munition Hamas has never once showed evidence of having used.

Now, there are still some oddities such as the use of an airburst when they don't seem to be using that for other strikes of similar targets and lack of fragments. However, the simple fact that you can call into question the official narrative with evidence we do have to hand and with already having a party that has form for such attacks, should make one consider that the intel agencies fully know what went on. They just won't say what happened because it will jeopardise their case.

Of course if an actual video comes out showing said rocket or other evidence, then I will concede on this. On balance, though, I don't buy the IDF claims given they were the jackasses who made out that Shireen Abu Akle was killed by Palestinians, before later saying they did it.

Thank you for sharing this. I’ve just watched the video of this poor man carrying his dead baby and kissing his son goodbye. I can’t even begin to imagine his devastation.

Israel intentionally targets journalists, we’ve seen that more clearly than ever in recent days.

what burns me is the lack of solidarity by other journalists in the western media for their colleagues.

I think I am going to stop commenting on these threads because I cannot comprehend how people can defend the genocide of Palestinians. If they are not killed by bombs, they are trapped under rubble, starved and much more. All this because of, well, Hamas. Before some of you start calling me pro Hamas and anti semitic, the Zionist government is creating the monsters they so wish to destroy in Gaza.

It’s patently clear that Israel’s intent is not to kill Palestinian civilians.

I can’t even begin to express the anger I felt reading this , what sort of heartless human thinks like this.
Just now An Aljazerah journalist lost all his family his wife and two kids , that’s more than 400 deaths in the last 24 hours alone .

everyday I think it can’t get any worse and some how it does , so no I don’t agree with you , I don’t think Israel is doing a sterling job at minimising death of civilians .

They fled their home and the strike hit them in the camp.

Family of Al Jazeera journalist killed in Israeli air strike

The family of an Al Jazeera journalist in Gaza have been killed in an Israeli air strikes, the news network has said.
Wael al-Dahdouh's wife, son and daughter were killed in the attack, which the Hamas-led health ministry for the region killed at least 25 people.
Al Jazeera said the strike hit the area where Mr al-Dahdouh's family had fled to following an Israeli warning.
"Their home was targeted in the Nuseirat camp in the centre of Gaza, where they had sought refuge after being displaced by the initial bombardment in their neighbourhood, following Prime Minister Netanyahu's call for all civilians to move south," it said in a statement.
Other members of Mr al-Dahdouh's family were buried under the rubble, it added.
The network broadcast live footage of him crying as he saw family members laying lifeless in hospital.
"The network strongly condemns the indiscriminate targeting and killing of innocent civilians in Gaza, which has led to the loss of Wael Al-Dahdouh's family and countless others," the network added.

Look up hasbara. Lots of great academic articles about it but you need a login to access them. Long story short it is the method by which Israel aim to control narrative and restrict demand for credible information in order to bolster support and whitewash their crimes. So that 'script' you are referring to is very carefully produced, and as you said repeated time and time again until messages become internalised. I just came across an article about how hasbara was deeply rooted in the early Zionist movement, which makes a lot of sense.

@Desertrose2023 - thank you.