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How effective is Israeli bombing, anyway?

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mushti · 25/10/2023 11:47

According to Hamas figures, Israel has dropped 12,000 tonnes of explosives on Gaza. 6000 people have died.

Hamas terrorists killed 1400 Jews with just what they could carry on trucks and motorbikes.

It almost looks like Israel is trying to minimize casualties, doesn't it?

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JSMill · 28/10/2023 22:38

Martin83 · 27/10/2023 23:50

A completely impossible situation Bibi has put the country in.
You have pressure from the families of the hostages, pressure from Hamas, pressure from your enemies as well as your allies. As soon as the coffins come home of Israeli solders there will be no support at home.

His policies of alienating moderate Palestinian authority and unofficially supporting Hamas has backfired so dramatically that I can not understand why on earth he is not thrown out.

Israel is hailed as the only democracy in the Middle East so you could use your vote to change things.
If you didn't vote for him then maybe have sympathy for those in Gaza who only had the opportunity to vote in 2005.

Martin83 · 28/10/2023 15:07

Parkingt111 · 28/10/2023 00:25

@Martin83 If you are in Israel i pray you and your family are safe

Thank you for your kind words! I'm in UK but I have family in Israel.

travellinglighter · 28/10/2023 01:40

Wow, it’s lucky Israel has nuclear weapons to use against 2.5million civilians and 30,000 Hamas? Honestly, that’s sick. I suspect that regardless of what Israel do, you’ll support them.

The reality is that Israel has walked into a trap of its own making. Netanyahu has used Hamas as an excuse not to negotiate. His military have missed the build up to a mass terrorist attack and now under his watch he has let 1400 people die.

He’s in a position now where if he goes in he’s going to slaughter thousands of innocent people and if he doesn’t, he looks weak and his people will finish his career.

There will be no winners in this one. Israel will inflict damage on Hamas but not destroy them and for the next 10 years they’ll be holding up pictures of dead babies to recruit more people into the cause. In 5 years, the 30,000 strong Hamas will be twice the size it is now.

hamas can’t lose, if Israel attacks it will rally people to the cause, if they hold fast, Hamas will claim victory and people will flock to the cause.

Parkingt111 · 28/10/2023 00:25

@Martin83 If you are in Israel i pray you and your family are safe

Parkingt111 · 28/10/2023 00:24

Martin83 · 27/10/2023 23:50

A completely impossible situation Bibi has put the country in.
You have pressure from the families of the hostages, pressure from Hamas, pressure from your enemies as well as your allies. As soon as the coffins come home of Israeli solders there will be no support at home.

His policies of alienating moderate Palestinian authority and unofficially supporting Hamas has backfired so dramatically that I can not understand why on earth he is not thrown out.

Yes I was on another thread but it's just gone crazy out of control. As much anger and hurt I feel for the innocent palestinians I also feel for the poor hostages. What must their families be going through right now. Up till this afternoon there was some hope of negotiation but I think that's all gone now. There must be the families of the hostages who must be watching the bombing tonight in despair that one of their loved ones may end up being killed. It is a terrible terrible situation

Parkingt111 · 28/10/2023 00:03

There is an Instagram account called eye.on.palestine that has been live showing the bombing on Gaza
It is terrible
Non stop every minute
It's still live right now

Martin83 · 27/10/2023 23:50

A completely impossible situation Bibi has put the country in.
You have pressure from the families of the hostages, pressure from Hamas, pressure from your enemies as well as your allies. As soon as the coffins come home of Israeli solders there will be no support at home.

His policies of alienating moderate Palestinian authority and unofficially supporting Hamas has backfired so dramatically that I can not understand why on earth he is not thrown out.

ChickHenLittle · 27/10/2023 22:18

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 27/10/2023 22:14

To be honest, I think it takes more spine to stand up for Israel in the face of relentless anti-Israel protest, and antisemitism of one flavour or another, particularly since the overwhelming majority of peoples and governments in the region consider Jews the enemy. Plus those in western countries who share those ‘values’, of course.

Why would people consider Jews the enemy? This is on the Israeli government. Not Jews. Not Israelis. The government and the IDF.

How effective is Israeli bombing, anyway?
ChickHenLittle · 27/10/2023 22:14

queenofarles · 27/10/2023 22:11

Oh god i can’t stop crying , i prey for a divine intervention , this can’t be true, people can’t be this heartless.

Unfortunately the Israeli government can, some of the statements they've made regarding Palestinians are horrifying. Truly.

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 27/10/2023 22:14

ChickHenLittle · 27/10/2023 21:10

I really hope the PM grows a spine and condemns what is happening.
I just know I'll wake up to reports of yet another hospital being destroyed because "Hamas were using it as a base". 😔

To be honest, I think it takes more spine to stand up for Israel in the face of relentless anti-Israel protest, and antisemitism of one flavour or another, particularly since the overwhelming majority of peoples and governments in the region consider Jews the enemy. Plus those in western countries who share those ‘values’, of course.

queenofarles · 27/10/2023 22:11

Oh god i can’t stop crying , i prey for a divine intervention , this can’t be true, people can’t be this heartless.

ChickHenLittle · 27/10/2023 21:10

Parkingt111 · 27/10/2023 21:03

@ChickHenLittle read the above
Hundreds of lawyers have said that the attack is indiscriminate

I really hope the PM grows a spine and condemns what is happening.
I just know I'll wake up to reports of yet another hospital being destroyed because "Hamas were using it as a base". 😔

Parkingt111 · 27/10/2023 21:03

@ChickHenLittle read the above
Hundreds of lawyers have said that the attack is indiscriminate

Parkingt111 · 27/10/2023 21:02

INDISCRIMINATE ATTACKS
signed by more than a hundred lawyers in the UK

How effective is Israeli bombing, anyway?
ChickHenLittle · 27/10/2023 21:00

Alcemeg · 27/10/2023 20:57

But doesn't the death of the hostages give you a clue about the real targets?

Sorry, but I don't for one second believe they are targeting only Hamas. With the amount of strikes, no-one in the vicinity would survive. The amount of journalists and their families who have recently been killed while hiding out at home doesn't make me any less doubtful.

Alcemeg · 27/10/2023 20:57

ChickHenLittle · 27/10/2023 20:55

Reports saying they have killed 50 hostages in their air strikes too.
Journalists and aid workers, and their families, do seem to be being targeted. Now a communications blackout. Gaza is being silenced.

But doesn't the death of the hostages give you a clue about the real targets?

ChickHenLittle · 27/10/2023 20:55

Parkingt111 · 27/10/2023 20:38

So much for Israel only targets Hamas and not indiscriminate bombing
13 Aid workers murdered with their families In their HOMES by Israeli air strikes

Reports saying they have killed 50 hostages in their air strikes too.
Journalists and aid workers, and their families, do seem to be being targeted. Now a communications blackout. Gaza is being silenced.

immigrant002 · 27/10/2023 20:39

They cut off all communications no one in gaza can be reached ! Imagine having family there is so horrific! No electricity no phones ... something big will happen tonight 😢😢

Parkingt111 · 27/10/2023 20:38

So much for Israel only targets Hamas and not indiscriminate bombing
13 Aid workers murdered with their families In their HOMES by Israeli air strikes

How effective is Israeli bombing, anyway?
Trulywonderful · 27/10/2023 19:45

Martin83 · 27/10/2023 19:27

Does anyone think there will be a ground operation? I am more skeptical, I think they lost the momentum.

I never thought there would be. It is too dangerous and massive loss of life both sides will happen. My belief was they were banging the war drum to make it look like they wouldn't back down. Cutting water, fuel etc to force the release of hostages and to stop Hamas daily missile attacks since 7th October.

However Hamas has stocked up and stolen enough Palestinian and UN fuel now to keep the ventilation system going in their tunnel system. They have managed to sway enough world opinion to just about hang onto the hostages for the time being without losing all support. Therefore they don't need to comply with Israeli demands. This means they plan now to sit tight and wait for a ground attack.

Israel has held off the ground assault for as long as they could and tried to sound as determined as possible etc. However Hamas is calling their bluff well and truly. The language is changing and Israel has declared the ground assault will likely take 18 months now. Unlike before I think this is going to happen. It will be horrific and brutal. Even the return of hostages and Hamas stopping firing missiles won't end this now. Israel have agreed with western Allies and some surrounding state plus the PO to finish Hamas in Gaza. So this is what they are planning. Personally I think another even worse group will pop up in a few years because they always do. Then slowly it all starts again. People don't learn from history it seems.

ChickHenLittle · 27/10/2023 19:37

For goodness sake, will our spineless leaders demand this stops already?! The images alone are horrific, communications cut... this is barbaric.

notimagain · 27/10/2023 19:35

Martin83 · 27/10/2023 19:27

Does anyone think there will be a ground operation? I am more skeptical, I think they lost the momentum.

Signs are it may have started within the last hour or so, the IDF was quoted not long ago as saying that this evening "troops are "operating forcefully" on all fronts..

StarbucksSmarterSister · 27/10/2023 19:32

I'm convinced they'll be going in soon. That why they've upped the bombing I think.

Martin83 · 27/10/2023 19:27

Does anyone think there will be a ground operation? I am more skeptical, I think they lost the momentum.

Parkingt111 · 27/10/2023 19:26

StarbucksSmarterSister · 27/10/2023 19:20

No I wouldn't. We're not talking about one of course, but potentially far, far more but I wouldn't bomb a hospital with patients in it.

Israel have just said that one of the largest running hospitals I'm gaza no longer come under the protection of international law and have told the medics and patients to move. The medics said they have nowhere to go and moving the patients could be a death sentence and they will stand by their patients even if it means they will be killed.
An hour or so later all Internet In Gaza has been cut off and heavy intense bombing has started