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To be horrified re the 2000+ children killed in Gaza.

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SoShallINever · 24/10/2023 22:57

The news tonight was unbearable.
I am sickened that the West is not calling for a ceasefire or some restraint.
I found out today that Gaza is almost exactly the same size as the small Hebridean island of Jura. But whereas Jura has a few hundred residents, Gaza has 2.4 million packed in. You couldn't throw a stone into Gaza without it hitting someone, never mind a missile.
The children of Gaza are not terrorists and I wish Israel would stop.

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Parkingt111 · 25/10/2023 11:33

UNICEF: Gaza child casualties 'a stain on our collective conscience'

'UNICEF has called the number of child casualties in Gaza "a growing stain on our collective conscience" as it called for an urgent ceasefire.
The charity said "almost every child" in the region had been exposed to "deeply distressing events and trauma", as Israeli airstrikes cause widespread destruction and food and water run out.

Toothyfruity · 25/10/2023 11:24

yellowspanner · 25/10/2023 11:21

I'm with Israel
This could all be stopped if:
Hamas returned all of the hostages unharmed
Hamas released their stockpiles of fuel to their hospitals (but of course Hamas need to use the fuel to fire rockets at Israel)
The people of Gaza handed over the Hamas leaders to the international courts
Hamas are using their own citizens as shields and stockpiling weapons in schools and hospitals.

So Israel is totally blameless? Are you insane? You think what's happening in Gaza is OK?

Littlebluetruck · 25/10/2023 11:23

bathrobeandpie · 25/10/2023 11:20

I think anyone who looks at a little child and think about his nationality or his colour has no humanity.

Absolutely.

All I see is a reflection of my own child. I would hope that most people do.

Littlebluetruck · 25/10/2023 11:22

Coughingdodger · 25/10/2023 11:13

I agree that my comment sounded minimising and it was right to call it out. I have apologised. Innocent people were murdered by criminals on October 7th.

Sorry, my comment wasn’t aimed at you. I had seen that you took responsibility for your comment and apologised and I really respect that.

My comment was more general. On another thread, a similar comment was made and that poster doubled down by saying that the only innocent children and babies in this conflict were Palestinian ones. It’s those comments that are causing me a great deal of concern.

I’m afraid though that I don’t agree that thousands of equally innocent children should be murdered in response. The people involved on both sides are disgusting.

I agree.

yellowspanner · 25/10/2023 11:21

I'm with Israel
This could all be stopped if:
Hamas returned all of the hostages unharmed
Hamas released their stockpiles of fuel to their hospitals (but of course Hamas need to use the fuel to fire rockets at Israel)
The people of Gaza handed over the Hamas leaders to the international courts
Hamas are using their own citizens as shields and stockpiling weapons in schools and hospitals.

Coughingdodger · 25/10/2023 11:20

Stopped by mediators who can help Israel to protect and defend itself without lashing out like this. There must be some way. I really don’t think this is it.

bathrobeandpie · 25/10/2023 11:20

I think anyone who looks at a little child and think about his nationality or his colour has no humanity.

Coughingdodger · 25/10/2023 11:17

And the reason people keep going on about what’s happening in Gaza is that it’s ongoing and happening right now and needs to be stopped.

Coughingdodger · 25/10/2023 11:16

I’m afraid though that I don’t agree that thousands of equally innocent children should be murdered in response. The people involved on both sides are disgusting.

Coughingdodger · 25/10/2023 11:13

Littlebluetruck · 25/10/2023 11:09

Most threads are being derailed because of similar comments though. It’s not okay.

I agree that my comment sounded minimising and it was right to call it out. I have apologised. Innocent people were murdered by criminals on October 7th.

Littlebluetruck · 25/10/2023 11:09

Toothyfruity · 25/10/2023 11:05

It's been countered and apologised for several times now.

It's just derailing the thread.

Most threads are being derailed because of similar comments though. It’s not okay.

Littlebluetruck · 25/10/2023 11:08

Coughingdodger · 25/10/2023 10:56

Ok I apologise yet again for my poorly worded post about a woman hitting a man and the man retaliating. A woman hitting a man is in no way comparable to Hamas killing innocent Israeli people including children. I realised that as soon as I wrote it and withdrew the analogy. Minimising the horrific events of October 7th was not my intention. The acts of murder on Oct 7th were barbaric and horrific.

The analogy of the man hitting the woman and her children in response is also entirely and inappropriately insufficient to describe Israel’s response in Gaza.

Hamas’s actions on October 7 th were horrific.

What is your opinion of Israel’s ongoing actions today?

What is your opinion of Israel’s ongoing actions today?

Horrific. Absolutely horrific.

I think the video I saw of the young child in a hospital shaking from shock and absolutely traumatised will stay with me forever. I want to cry every time I hug my own children.

I think the International community need to intervene here because there will clearly never be peace if Israel and Gaza are left to manage this situation on their own. The bombing needs to stop. It should never have started. There should have been an intervention the moment the atrocities on 7 October were committed.

EasternStandard · 25/10/2023 11:07

Toothyfruity · 25/10/2023 11:05

It's been countered and apologised for several times now.

It's just derailing the thread.

Skip over it if it doesn’t matter to you.

It does to other posters.

Toothyfruity · 25/10/2023 11:05

It's been countered and apologised for several times now.

It's just derailing the thread.

EasternStandard · 25/10/2023 10:59

Toothyfruity · 25/10/2023 10:57

This is ridiculous.

Why?

@MarySmit is right to counter that post

Toothyfruity · 25/10/2023 10:57

This is ridiculous.

Coughingdodger · 25/10/2023 10:56

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Ok I apologise yet again for my poorly worded post about a woman hitting a man and the man retaliating. A woman hitting a man is in no way comparable to Hamas killing innocent Israeli people including children. I realised that as soon as I wrote it and withdrew the analogy. Minimising the horrific events of October 7th was not my intention. The acts of murder on Oct 7th were barbaric and horrific.

The analogy of the man hitting the woman and her children in response is also entirely and inappropriately insufficient to describe Israel’s response in Gaza.

Hamas’s actions on October 7 th were horrific.

What is your opinion of Israel’s ongoing actions today?

MarySmit · 25/10/2023 10:51

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bathrobeandpie · 25/10/2023 10:51

everyone agrees that the murders by Hamas were horrendous and shocking.

sadly, shockingly, it's simply not true.
Which might explains the current mess that is developing.

Terrorists are people, and supporters of terrorism are people too. How do posters side with terrorists is beyond my understanding, but that's how we'll end up with WW3.

EasternStandard · 25/10/2023 10:49

Milkandhoneybees · 25/10/2023 10:47

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This all day.

No one has to read posts minimising what happened on October 7th. If someone posts it, it will be countered.

Emojis and cheerleading. Just think about what people are reading.

Coughingdodger · 25/10/2023 10:48

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Never said it. Not once.

In fact I’ve said several times that the murder of all innocent people is horrific.

What do you think about the murder of Gazan children by the IDF?

Milkandhoneybees · 25/10/2023 10:47

Toothyfruity · 25/10/2023 10:39

Another thread that's descended into nonsense. 2 pages of people being outraged that other people aren't sufficiently outraged about the Hamas attack on Israelis in order to stop the conversation on the point of the thread, which is the ongoing slaughter of children in Gaza.

I think we can take it at this stage that everyone agrees that the murders by Hamas were horrendous and shocking. Not everyone agrees that the murder of thousands of Gazans in retaliation is horrendous and shocking and therein lies a big problem.

👏👏👏👏

This all day.

Maireas · 25/10/2023 10:46

It's very complicated.
If there was an easy solution, it could be resolved this afternoon.
Sadly, there isn't.

Milkandhoneybees · 25/10/2023 10:45

Livelovebehappy · 25/10/2023 00:05

Neither of us could come close to knowing what the people of Israel are currently going through. This isn’t that their country has been bombed. They’ve been attacked in the most horrific way by a bunch of savages who have raped, tortured, kidnapped, murdered and mutilated families. If Hamas aren’t killed, then they will return and continue what they started. Do you really think if the bombing stopped tomorrow, that all would be good, and Hamas would just retreat back to their hideaways in Gaza? They would see it as a weakness. Israel have absolutely no options here but to continue to protect their people.

Could you look this little boy in the eye and tell him that he deserved to lose his whole family to a genocidal Israeli government and to search amongst the dead bodies for his mum to kiss her good bye?
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cyzza50Ah9y/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

If there was a school shooters going from school to school, would you say that the police should just blow up the whole school, including the teachers, other pupils and any parents that were on-site? Then claim the school shooters were using the others as “human shields” and call the dead children “collateral damage”?

What about after the IRA bombings? Should the British have just flattened the whole of Belfast to kill any suspected IRA members? Should they have never negotiated with the IRA and instead have just killed Irish children in their thousands?

The mental backflips and utter bloodthirsty callous voices of the pro-Israeli side never fail to shock me, and I doubt I’m the only one.

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Toothyfruity · 25/10/2023 10:44

Maireas · 25/10/2023 10:34

Gaza was occupied by Egypt 1949-67.
They share a very large border.
Israel occupied it 1967-2005.
Hamas now have controlled it from 2005.
I think sometimes people don't understand the basics.
Feelings are running high, the death toll of innocents is rising, it's a humanitarian crisis. It seems to get worse every day.
However, repeating slogans or pieces of misinformation doesn't help.

I think the blockade since 2007 is probably relevant here. The Israeli side seems to pretend it isn't happening.

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