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To be horrified re the 2000+ children killed in Gaza.

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SoShallINever · 24/10/2023 22:57

The news tonight was unbearable.
I am sickened that the West is not calling for a ceasefire or some restraint.
I found out today that Gaza is almost exactly the same size as the small Hebridean island of Jura. But whereas Jura has a few hundred residents, Gaza has 2.4 million packed in. You couldn't throw a stone into Gaza without it hitting someone, never mind a missile.
The children of Gaza are not terrorists and I wish Israel would stop.

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Gogol253 · 27/10/2023 19:54

There might not be a Gaza we recognise when we wake up tomorrow, or at the very least, an unimaginable horror will have been inflicted on them. I want to be able to look my children in the eye decades from now, and say yes, I did stand up the next morning, and I did try and say something. No matter how tiny and inconsequential my voice was, at least my moral compass was intact.

Milkandhoneybees · 27/10/2023 19:50

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 27/10/2023 19:14

I’m not sure that’s right. The government’s been very clear that the unimaginable horror that Hamas committed must be opposed and stopped.

Oh please pipe down. You do realise that the hostages, that you clearly value above any Palestinian life, are ALSO being starved, deprived of any clean water, medicine, and are being bombed - does that not bother you at all? They’re being forced to suffer because Israel refuses to let basic humane necessities in.

Netanyahu could not care less about those hostages. Hamas have released 4 hostages on humanitarian grounds, who would have died due to Israel’s inhumanity otherwise: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67201599.amp

What humanity has Israel shown to its own people being held in Gaza?

There’s even a recording of a kibbutz survivor who said that many people at the kibbutz were killed by the IDF in crossfire:
https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/1716337785789927642

What on Earth are you talking about that they need to be “opposed and stopped”? By bombing children? You do realise that they bomb Gaza horrifically as a matter of routine, and what has it so far achieved in taking out Hamas? It’s utter, utter bollocks. This is ethnic cleansing. This is a massacre.

From the below article:

“Israeli member of Knesset Ariel Kallner on Sunday called for a second ‘Nakba’ to take place in Gaza amid ongoing armed conflict between Hamas and the Israeli army.
“Right now, one goal: Nakba! A Nakba that will overshadow the Nakba of 48. Nakba in Gaza and Nakba to anyone who dares to join! their Nakba, because like then in 1948, the alternative is clear,” Kallner wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter.”

https://english.alarabiya.net/amp/News/middle-east/2023/10/08/Israeli-Knesset-member-calls-for-second-Nakba-amid-ongoing-conflict-with-Hamas

Israel was built on the blood and bones of Palestinian children and the world will never forget.

Nurit Cooper and Yocheved Lifshitz

Two more hostages held in Gaza released - BBC News

The ICRC says two hostages held by Hamas were transported out of Gaza on Monday evening.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67201599.amp

vestedinterests · 27/10/2023 19:44

@WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps Hamas is responsible for the state that Gaza is in, our government supports the country that is trying to erase an entire population.

ketchup07070 · 27/10/2023 19:28

@vestedinterests I think it's slow, but the government does respond to protest. It's because of protest that they have started to call for humanitarian aid and pauses. I think if the whole world had kept quiet they would not even have done that.

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 27/10/2023 19:14

vestedinterests · 27/10/2023 18:54

Unimaginable horror. What will going to a protest achieve? The government doesn't care, it's too late anyway.

I’m not sure that’s right. The government’s been very clear that the unimaginable horror that Hamas committed must be opposed and stopped.

vestedinterests · 27/10/2023 18:54

Unimaginable horror. What will going to a protest achieve? The government doesn't care, it's too late anyway.

Parkingt111 · 27/10/2023 18:51

Without doubt we will be seeing some of the biggest palestinian protests tomorrow

Gogol253 · 27/10/2023 18:47

Please, please if you can, please go to the protest tomorrow in your city or town. They are happening up and down the country tomorrow. Please turn up and put pressure on this shameful government

Parkingt111 · 27/10/2023 18:44

Whatever they do now will be too little and too late
And that's if they even do

Parkingt111 · 27/10/2023 18:43

Our governments have blood on their hands
Shame on them. Shame on them
There is no hope now

ketchup07070 · 27/10/2023 18:41

@Parkingt111 I don't know. I don't know what can be done.

Parkingt111 · 27/10/2023 18:37

ketchup07070 · 27/10/2023 18:34

Israel is 'expanding' ground operations tonight. And all comms cut. I feel sick.

I can't believe what is happening
How are our governments quiet
How is the world watching and allowing this to happen

ketchup07070 · 27/10/2023 18:34

Israel is 'expanding' ground operations tonight. And all comms cut. I feel sick.

ketchup07070 · 27/10/2023 18:31

Does Israel have control of the mobile phone network and internet? It means whatever happens there is now hidden from the world, but also that residents can't call an ambulance, check where is safe(r) to go, find the news, check on friends. If Israel has done this - is it legal?

Parkingt111 · 27/10/2023 18:30

STOP THE GENOCIDE
whichever side you are on can you not see what is happening???

ketchup07070 · 27/10/2023 18:28

All comms in |Gaza have been cut. There's no internet or mobile phone service, according to Guardian live. This is pretty horrifying. No one can call for help now.

Oliotya · 27/10/2023 18:27

Meanwhile the internet in Gaza has been cut off just as the ground invasion ramps up. They couldn't wipe out the journalists in time so they cut them off instead.

Oliotya · 27/10/2023 18:25

localnotail · 27/10/2023 18:14

I think, sadly, there is probably someone who is in Hamas in pretty much every extended family in Gaza. There are about 100k Hamas fighters, and 2mln people there - that's 1:20. So yes, where they would be hiding - in family homes, in tunnels under schools and hospitals, in mosques... its really, really awful.

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Hamas has nowhere near 100k fighters.

localnotail · 27/10/2023 18:14

Efacsen · 27/10/2023 14:05

Being resourceful doesn't create space

Have you looked at the satellite maps of pre-war Gaza?

Where do you think they should be hiding?

Not denying that there isn't using the locals as human shields but be realistic

I think, sadly, there is probably someone who is in Hamas in pretty much every extended family in Gaza. There are about 100k Hamas fighters, and 2mln people there - that's 1:20. So yes, where they would be hiding - in family homes, in tunnels under schools and hospitals, in mosques... its really, really awful.

localnotail · 27/10/2023 18:09

@Toothyfruity nobody knows where they are, no one is even sure they are alive. I read somewhere that Hamas said they have been "looked after" by civilians, and that 50 of them have been killed by bombing.
I would suspect that most of them are dead, tbh.

ketchup07070 · 27/10/2023 15:33

@feralunderclass So sorry to hear this news. It is a tragic loss of life.

sollenwir · 27/10/2023 14:07

@ProvincialLady1 there is no easy answer to any of this.

Efacsen · 27/10/2023 14:05

ProvincialLady1 · 27/10/2023 13:49

You think they have no choice but to use schools, homes and hospitals? I would think they're more resourceful than that. It's a deliberate strategy.

Being resourceful doesn't create space

Have you looked at the satellite maps of pre-war Gaza?

Where do you think they should be hiding?

Not denying that there isn't using the locals as human shields but be realistic

ProvincialLady1 · 27/10/2023 13:49

FrankieStein403 · 27/10/2023 13:35

Hamas bad - unconditionally yes.

Hamas hiding behind civilians - apparently, but why is this a surprise? Gaza doesn't exactly have open spaces, caves, islands, mountain bases etc.

Basically the IDF only have a failed strategy - bomb/shell civilians, presumably in the hope that some hamas will be killed and the civilians will turn against hamas. That has failed multiple times and will fail again.

Orde Wingate (cf chindits) was the guy who worked out how to fight a guerilla war - the IDF just repeat what they did before in the hope that the outcome will change - the definition of insanity. In the meantime civilians die and hate festers.

You think they have no choice but to use schools, homes and hospitals? I would think they're more resourceful than that. It's a deliberate strategy.

Toothyfruity · 27/10/2023 13:48

@feralunderclass the degree of loss in it that family is unimaginable. I hope they stop bombing civilians soon.