To be horrified re the 2000+ children killed in Gaza.

Telephone communications and internet connectivity were gradually returning to the Gaza Strip in the early hours of Sunday morning, according to reports by Palestinian media

It also all over Twitter people contacting family and friends to see if they are okay

No aid was able to be delivered yesterday because of the communication black-out - hopefully they were able to use the down-time to security check more lorries - this is being done at the Egyptian-Israeli border crossing 100mile round trip from the Rafah crossing.

This. Can people really not see beyond ‘what else can they do’. It’s not in for a penny in for a pound, they’re murdering thousands of innocent people in the name of Hamas. It’s horrendous.

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We are bringing children into the world where this is happening 😔”

As we have since the beginning of humanity. “We” are warlike.

This has to stop. IDF is now bombing the areas they directed people from Gaza to flee too. Netanyahu has to be reigned in.

Their current strategy seems to be to flatten whole parts of Gaza including targeting Aid workers, hospitals, journalists, women, thousands of children
And let's not forget cut off all communication before their worst offensive so nobody from inside can report what it happening

I find this a troubling point of view. You are saying that hostage-taking should preclude action against terrorists. That’s the terrorists’ intention, surely?

If Israel believes it more effective to combat terrorism in the longer term by using force, while hostages are held, that’s their prerogative and most would agree that negotiating with terrorist kidnappers is best avoided.

I do appreciate that states will negotiate when there’s nothing else they can do. But the Israelis clearly think that’s not the case here.

150 underground combat areas and underground terrorist infra-structure destroyed overnight [IDF]

Remind me, where are those precious hostages being held?

I’m talking about collecting intelligence and seeking out individual terrorists. Much as Israel did with Nazis on the run after the war.

If you object to that it would seem that you actually do believe that Israel has no right to defend itself.

But that sort of action doesn’t deal with the terrorist infrastructure. Hence military action.

Out of interest, and off the thread subject I admit, but was Israel justified in bombing Iran’s nuclear reactor years ago?

This is not defense.

This is a savage sustained attack against a civilian population.

Hamas are animals.

State of Israel is right there with them at this point.

This was on Hamas hands.

The extreme, sustained savagery of Isreal has moved it to their hands.

I am so very sad for you @feralunderclass

May they rest in peace.

There is no Justification, there never was.

When you position a people as animals, sub humans, then you naturally see yourself as superior and more worthy of protection and whatever you need to do to stay in your positions of priviledge

Where does this 'right to defend yourself' argument stop? As it stands, Israel is doing far worse to the Palestinians than Hamas did to Israel. What about the Palestinian people's right to defend themselves? By this logic, another attack by Hamas would be justified.

What we need is an immediate ceasefire.

“Precision” activity. That would be funny if it wasn’t anything but.

Everyone has a right to defend themselves, sure.
No one has a right to go out and commit mass murder against thousands and thousands of innocent people.

There’s an enormous gap between the two that I would have thought that all but the most psychopathic people could easily see.

I think they probably can. They can’t stop all the anti-Jewish hatred, sure. But they can deal with one terrorist group after another.

The ‘precision’ activity against terrorist maniacs has always been part of Israel’s strategy and always will be. But the need to destroy the rocket sites, arms dumps, tunnels and other infrastructure and hardware that Hamas and Hezbollah rely on is also necessary.

If everyone laid down arms and shook hands to protect our children.
The future.
Then this could stop tomorrow.
Lay down your arms, protect the children.
There is always a way.
Find peace.

I think I read somewhere that hamas had offered to negotiate the release of all hostages if Israel stopped carpet bombing gaza.
Not sure if it was a reliable report though?

Israel has every right to defend itself
Hamas must release all hostages
I stand by that

What I don't agree with is Israels strategy in this war. It will not rid of Hamas this way. And in the process it will murder many civilians

>If they can’t eradicate Hamas, then how do they remove the threat to the Israelis?

They can't eradicate Hamas by bombing, shelling, invading Gaza - it's a guerilla war and you cannot win such a war that way. It has not worked in the past - they need to try something else.

defend whom? to its civilians?? to outside world??? to its powerful alleys??? to its sort of foes?

I'm not sure I'm convinced the government cares so much for their own people. They don't seem to be concerned much for the hostages.
Hamas is a creation of Israels brutality. Continuing their agression towards Palestinians will only create more radicals willing to resort to similar acts of violence....
Unless of course they just kill the whole lot of them

They can make peace. And ultimately that's the only way that the attacks will stop. If kettling people in Gaza for generations was going to work then it would have worked by now.

And what do they do to protect their own people? If they can’t eradicate Hamas, then how do they remove the threat to the Israelis? If they did all the above, do you think Hamas would stop attacking Israel? Of course not.