To be horrified re the 2000+ children killed in Gaza.

Urge everybody to watch channel 4 news today. The report from Gaza is utterly heartbreaking. Parents saying goodbye to their children in this way is totally tragic no matter who they are - Palestinian or Israeli. I wish those same posters who pop up repeatedly to protest when anybody expresses concern for Gaza would acknowledge this.

This kind of anxious hand wringing is crap.

Hamas started it - YES.

Hamas deserve all that can be thrown at them - YES.

Hamas are animals - YES.

Now - stop the fucking bombing.

And Israeli or Jew who cannot see the barbarity of this, and how utterly fucking egregious it is, just blows my mind.

Rockets are still being fired from Gaza.

I'm trying to sleep and literally everytime I close my eyes I see images from Gaza. I've joined alot of new Instagram pages to try and get a balanced view from different sources and I've just sobbed and sobbed tonight and I'm safe. I've also heard the stories being told today from the Hama's body cams and seem some of the images. I can't get any of it out my head. I think it's the first time a war has been so 'visual'.

I still think there needs to be a ceasefire from both sides and fuels needs to get to these hospitals.

My grandmother, who survived the Holocaust would just be heartbroken by all of this.

You wrote 'we know the answer', hence me thinking you had a suggestion.

Yes, this is true.

@SoShallINever , am I?
for the record I’m beginning to feel really down over the entire situation. It is horrendous all round. It just doesn’t didn’t sound like you cared about the Jewish people?

How the hell would I know?

The best and the brightest have come up with various solution over the years - usually scuppered by an asshole with big personal ambition or an asshole trying to stay out of prison.

BUT - right now? STOP THE BOMBING.

Well Israel are the ones doing the bombing.

700 murdered in the last day and 3 hospitals have ceased to function because Israel won't allow fuel in to power them. So a lot of vulnerable sick people will die now. Unimaginable barbarity and cruelty by Israel. And obviously yet more war crimes. The Hague will be busy.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/24/un-calls-for-immediate-ceasefire-to-end-epic-suffering-in-gaza?fbclid=PAAaZevDaYZD8zcXc1PSWhgamIwkVyM4IbmM5fQF-k7zKuIc9CrMnh-EXekUU

The cries of blame hamas for everything are old hat now. Over 5500 people killed in Gaza.

There's no excuse.

I really wish the hamas government in gaza had given more thought to the people they are responsible for before they massacred over a thousand people, raping women and children and taking hostages, despite knowing that the resulting war would put their people in harms way.

This whole situation is unnecessary and incredibly horrific and sad. Why would a government want to bring this on their people?

So what is your answer to resolve this long term?

And how do they ‘go after’ the terrorists if they are hiding amongst the Palestinians, cowards that they are? Hamas have brought this on their own people. If Israel don’t hunt down and kill the terrorists, then they are leaving themselves exposed to more savagery. Have you seen the newsfeeds today about what exactly happened to the Israel people when Hamas attacked them? Do you really think Israel have options here?

We know the answer.

They need to stop.

This is not a case of self defense at this point.

The barbarity of the Israeli government - bombing and starving to death the population of Gaza will destroy that country one way or another.

It's horrific. And the support from the US, UK and EU is beyond fucked up. All have completely lost credibility in terms of having any moral standing in any conflict ever again in the future.

God love the poor babies and children in Gaza and their parents and families. It's so sad. I'm so sorry for them.

But let’s not forget Isreal is about the only country that stands up immediately for its citizens, as has been evidenced in history.

Don't be silly.

Should you expect the Uk or Us, or indeed any country to negotiate with terrorists?

YES!

Of course they bloody should.

Countries ALWAYS negotiate with terrorists.

Israel itself is born out of terrorisim - Zionist terrorists bomed the shit out of the British in the 20s-30s.
Ireland - a republic because of terrorisim
USA - a republic because of terrorisim

and on and on.

Right now it just depends on how much slaughter the Israelis are up for.

Because this is clearly about razing Gaza to the ground, ethnic cleaning and will end in a land grab.

Israel is losing all moral right.

Nethanyahu is very expensive in every possible imaginable.

The op does not make any comment on the hamas attack. Believing that the response of Israel is wrong does not mean that there is no compassion for the victims of the hamas attack or that there is any sympathy for the hamas terrorists. It is possible to have sympathy for both sides and in particular the innocent people on both sides

Absolutely a genocide 💔 🇪🇭 heart breaking scenes of innocent lives lost.

It’s all horrific. Both sides. I can’t see anyone winning this war. Giles Coren wrote a great piece in The Times something like if we’re arguing over which child’s murder is worse then we’re all lost.

It's horrific. As was the deliberate slaughter of Jewish children.

And for what? Hamas has achieved precisely nothing. As usual women and children suffer at the hands of evil men.

@borris - I completely agree with you. I think women would find solutions or compromises whereas men seem unable to, usually because of ego

Best we can hope for now with the impending ground invasion is a quick victory for Israel, then peace. Gazans will pay a terrible price though.

@Lovepeaceunderstanding you can have compassion for both the victims of the terror attack and innocent Palestinian children/citizens. The two things are not mutually exclusive