The people that don't call those that support Hamas

There is no excuse for Hamas atrocities. I condemn them in strongest terms. But the way Israeli government has treated palestinians, USA foreign policy unfairly siding with Israel has lead to this hatred and the atrocities were committed to hurt the Israeli government maybe to get reaction from them or Hamas really believed they would be able to exchange the hostages with six thousand plus palestinians in Israeli prisons. Israel has refused to have any dialogue over the years with Hamas the " terrorists" , when there is no meaningful dialogue, it leads to desperation and tragedy or " terrorist" incident such as this. No excuses. But each side to blame. And civilians suffer the most in this.

There are two types of bad guys. One type are those you’re saying. The other guys are the ones that have been doing similar actions for years in Palestine without any impunity and that now are killing thousands of innocent civilians

Honestly can no one see, the bad guys are the ones who went into a festival and raped, abused and kidnapped civilians with more brutality than I’ve ever witnessed. Did you not see the bloodied baby car seats. It’s barbaric and completely inexcusable. But hey, they’re Jews so fair game right? The antisemitism on here is vile, look the final solution and see where your politics lie.

Okay, I shall try to go with the even shorter version: "Intifada" means "shake off the oppressor, by any means necessary" - it can be but need not necessarily be by violent means! It is, inherently, a reactive as opposed to proactive term: you cannot "shake off" when there is nobody sitting on your neck, threatening to cut off your breathing!

But also: "Intifada" is a word that is a lot like "toff"! Yes, you can take "toff" to simply mean "rich person" and/or "person with class privilege" - but that does quite a poor job of explaining what "toff" really means, I would have guessed!? That would be because "toff" is a word that means not only "what it says on the tin" but also a word that says "but I come with an entire rattail of assumptions and implications - for starters: "we Brits still practice a system of social class that to most other Europeans seems wird and unintelligible", "our accents depend on our social class [FWIW: a concept quite alient to the rest of Europe - never mind the rest of the world!]", "toff is a politically loaded term - but people in Czechia are in a rather poor position to grasp it"!

"Intifada" is, basically, a word whose meaning is heavily loaded with specific cultural context!

Now, go ahead and ask me about "sumud" ("staying put"), and how this pertains to "Gazans will NOT go to Egypt" ... seeing as I am already on a mission to poorly explain words!

My reply was to this earlier post, sorry I am new member, didn't know how to quote the post..saw a documentary made about a year ago where progressive lesbian and gay men in America were asked for their views on the Israeli/ Palestine conflict. All supported Palestine. They were then shown footage of interviews with Palestinians who were asked their views of gay men and their responses varied from, they should be imprisoned / beaten / murdered and how it is understandable for a father to honor kill his gay son. A gay Palestinian man ( identity hidden) spoke about how they are beaten and raped by police before being imprisoned.

True, here is some reflections on the points of who may "write" history in the digital age:

In the evolving landscape of historical storytelling, AI emerges as a potent ally. Its potential lies in adeptly navigating data intricacies, conducting precise pattern recognition, and aiding in the synthesis of historical narratives. However, the human touch, indispensable in the realm of interpretative prowess and ethical discernment, remains an irreplaceable element.

The optimal strategy, echoing the principles of operational collaboration, is to forge a synergistic alliance between AI and human capabilities. AI, with its computational efficiency, serves as a force multiplier for data analysis and pattern identification. On the other front, human agents bring to the table a depth of interpretative skills and ethical considerations that enhance the narrative's authenticity and resonance.

In the not-so-distant future, the fusion of AI's analytical acumen and human discernment may yield the most comprehensive historical narratives. This collaborative approach, akin to joint intelligence operations, ensures a seamless amalgamation of computational precision and human intuition, resulting in narratives that resonate authentically with the intricacies of historical events.

I agree, no side is perfect. We should just try to be fair and honest, and not sling mud to undermine the other side, just because we have run out arguments to make our case or we don't like the support or sympathy the other side is attracting.

and one of the problems with history is who the victors decide what the "truth" is.

The common aim we should all have is some semblance of peace whatever that looks like.

Of course. It's when they run a society in a totalitarian way, and those views become the law, then it's a problem.

@HeidiInTheBigCity I feel like I have missed something.....

Please don't lump all palestinians together. In every society there are people who hold controversial views. We can't say they the whole nation is like this. Please be just and fair rather than trying to malign all palestinians because it suits your narrative.

There are elements in every society that have these views. A lot of people in the west held these views historically. I could go an ask an orthodox jewish person of their views on gay and lesbians and high chance I will get a unsavory opinion. I am not going to promote that as opinion all the Jewish people. There are attempts on both side to set a narrative that the other is a savage and to mould people's opinions.

Yeah the ridiculousness of the left wing supporting the rape and torture of innocents because they don’t count (they’re only Jews) it’s disgusting. Forgetting that most Palestinians would want gay people burned alive, how many Palestinians don’t want the eradication of Jews or the eradication of gays and trans

Okay, I will take the bait! (But: someone else: please "provide cover" - I realise what I am doing: going in, trying to explain language that will seem alien to most readers!). For the sake of transparency: I am also, broadly speaking, what most people would describe as "pro-Palestinian", and, narrowly speaking: "not a friend of Hamas", "not a friend of the PA" ... also: "pro humanity, always!". I am a philosophical so-called "libertarian socialist" (read: basically an anarchist, but I like people, despite it all!) who also happens to be a corporate executive for a living (because I quite enjoy doing the work I do!).

I am posting a lengthy preface on the grounds that "this sort of stuff matters when everyone lies!". You may choose not to believe me - and that is okay! But you should ask the same amount of honesty about "who are you, and where do you stand?" from anyone whom you WILL believe!

"Intifada" (Arabic: انتفاضة) is an Arabic word that - in essence - means "to be shaking", or "tremor" - but: etymologically, it is also derived from notions of "shaking off", and "getting rid of". Colloquially speaking, "Intifada" in the modern sense, may be taken to mean "uprising".

While primarily associated with the concept of Palestinian resistance to occupation nowadays, "Intifada" is not, actually, an originally Palestinian term. Its first documented use dates back to a communist uprising in Iraq back in the 1950s. It was popularised during the 1st and, subsequently 2nd "Palestinian Intifada" that saw everything from "just unarmed kids, throwing stones at tanks" to "suicide bombers blowing themselves up in Tel Aviv coffee shops"

Things the word "Intifada" DOES mean, within a modern context are: "Stand up, rise up! Resist the oppressor by - depending on your values and means! violent or non-violent measures!"

Things the word "Intifada" does NOT mean: "kill them all, out of principle!", "for Islamist supremacism!", "we shall kill all white people!", [insert your own horrific vision of whatever you have read at the DM or whatnot]!

Management summary: "Intifada is an Arabic word that refers to the - yes, including violently so, but NOT ONLY! - getting rid of an oppressor". It is inherently re-active, rather than pro-active in that it is not a word that implies unprovoked aggression. But it also IS very much revolutionary!

So there ...

Now: someone please have my back as I leant far out of the window in a (necessarily imperfect) attempt to try and explain what "intifada" means (and may have made mistakes in the process)!

That's good, @Trulywonderful - bubbles of outrage!

@Rubbishagain whatever you are attempting to post has been removed.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy2IZa4OCA7/?igshid=Y2NkYjk0MDhjYg==
then you have these disgusting sick people

I am reporting as much as I can on here but the Jew hate is real. It's been sickening. Whatever you try and say is shouted down. It's been a real education on here and not in a good way.
Thanks to all that 'bring up the rear' so you don't feel alone.

Thank you, @Trulywonderful - I'll watch that.
Someone sent me a video from a university Freshers' Fayre, and a young woman on the Palestinian Society stall. A man questioned her about some of the slogans on the posters- apartheid, ethnic cleansing etc
Turned out he was Israeli - and Arab Muslim! He told her what his rights were in Israel and I'm going to say it was a surprise to her. She certainly got an education that day.