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Trulywonderful · 2023-10-24T15:32:40+00:00

Such a nice guy with a good morals obviously. What more do you want from a barrister or law firm that hasn't spoken out on this (Sarcasm)

Akatsiya · 29/10/2023 01:14

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mollyfolk · 29/10/2023 01:06

Trulywonderful · 29/10/2023 00:35

Agree with you up until a point because my job requires this too. The point I break away from you is where a belief system or culture means that an innocent person is killed because they are gay. That I cannot say oh well they are allowed to hold the belief that a gay man can be dragged behind a motorbike until he is dead.

I know personally and work with plenty of Muslim people that also don't feel oh well about such a thing too. They don't believe gay people are halal but the worst they would do is turn their back on a family member that was gay. I mean that isn't great but still better than what you seem to want to ignore

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i’m not sure what you are saying - that every Palestinian would murder gay people ? So they should be killed? No I don’t agree with anyone who murders anyone else but there is a sense of othering here in your views that is at the very essence of racism. Apparently , you think, all Palestinian’s are murderers, bloodthirsty - so at odd with western values that a common ground could not be found, I don’t agree.

TutuDesi · 29/10/2023 01:05

Trulywonderful · 28/10/2023 21:58

Discourse

Yes most historical discourse was written by white western middle or upper class men

We will have to see in the digital age who tell history and how this time

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You mean the historical discourse that is written in English was written mostly by privileged white men. If you are multi-lingual, and have read historical discourse in other languages it is very eye opening, and not so white dominated.

Akatsiya · 29/10/2023 00:58

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Stopactingsosmall · 29/10/2023 00:57

EsmaCannonball · 29/10/2023 00:42

Iran hangs gay men and Iranian-backed jihadis have lynched gay men and chucked them off tall buildings. I'd rather that 'different belief system' didn't take over Israel.

What's the fascination with Iran? Israel and western media always highlighting issues in Iran. There are other countries too which breach human rights but never get a mention. Just Iran. Who assassinated Iranian commander few years ago by drone strike , the USA and Israel were behind it. How do they get away with it and still itching to have a war with Iran. Human rights concerns is just a pretext.

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Stopactingsosmall · 29/10/2023 00:43

Trulywonderful · 29/10/2023 00:26

Just been reading about a 99 year old Jewish lady who has had more than 1000 hate messages sent to her. She has a TikTok thingy and her grandson help her to talk on it about the holocaust. People normally use the comment bit to ask her questions. We'll since 7th October she has had vile comments sent to her. The grandson has now had to disable the comments bit. She was getting understandably upset.

Seriously what is wrong with people!

That sounds horrendous. There are these kind of idiots in every community who behave like this. what has this lady got to do with current events?

EsmaCannonball · 29/10/2023 00:42

Iran hangs gay men and Iranian-backed jihadis have lynched gay men and chucked them off tall buildings. I'd rather that 'different belief system' didn't take over Israel.

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Trulywonderful · 29/10/2023 00:35

mollyfolk · 29/10/2023 00:21

I stand in solidarity with gay people and I also stand in solidarity with ordinary Palestinian citizens. I understand they have a different belief system than me, I still think they are human beings. In my job I support people who have different values to me . I don’t agree with their views but ultimately tolerance is about acceptance that people have the right to hold views that you don’t agree with.

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Agree with you up until a point because my job requires this too. The point I break away from you is where a belief system or culture means that an innocent person is killed because they are gay. That I cannot say oh well they are allowed to hold the belief that a gay man can be dragged behind a motorbike until he is dead.

I know personally and work with plenty of Muslim people that also don't feel oh well about such a thing too. They don't believe gay people are halal but the worst they would do is turn their back on a family member that was gay. I mean that isn't great but still better than what you seem to want to ignore

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Trulywonderful · 29/10/2023 00:26

Just been reading about a 99 year old Jewish lady who has had more than 1000 hate messages sent to her. She has a TikTok thingy and her grandson help her to talk on it about the holocaust. People normally use the comment bit to ask her questions. We'll since 7th October she has had vile comments sent to her. The grandson has now had to disable the comments bit. She was getting understandably upset.

Seriously what is wrong with people!

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mollyfolk · 29/10/2023 00:21

Stopactingsosmall · 28/10/2023 22:05

My reply was to this earlier post, sorry I am new member, didn't know how to quote the post..saw a documentary made about a year ago where progressive lesbian and gay men in America were asked for their views on the Israeli/ Palestine conflict. All supported Palestine. They were then shown footage of interviews with Palestinians who were asked their views of gay men and their responses varied from, they should be imprisoned / beaten / murdered and how it is understandable for a father to honor kill his gay son. A gay Palestinian man ( identity hidden) spoke about how they are beaten and raped by police before being imprisoned.

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I stand in solidarity with gay people and I also stand in solidarity with ordinary Palestinian citizens. I understand they have a different belief system than me, I still think they are human beings. In my job I support people who have different values to me . I don’t agree with their views but ultimately tolerance is about acceptance that people have the right to hold views that you don’t agree with.

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Trulywonderful · 29/10/2023 00:18

Stomacharmeleon · 28/10/2023 21:46

The common aim we should all have is some semblance of peace whatever that looks like.

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Trulywonderful · 29/10/2023 00:17

ACGTHelix · 28/10/2023 22:03

True, here is some reflections on the points of who may "write" history in the digital age:

In the evolving landscape of historical storytelling, AI emerges as a potent ally. Its potential lies in adeptly navigating data intricacies, conducting precise pattern recognition, and aiding in the synthesis of historical narratives. However, the human touch, indispensable in the realm of interpretative prowess and ethical discernment, remains an irreplaceable element.

The optimal strategy, echoing the principles of operational collaboration, is to forge a synergistic alliance between AI and human capabilities. AI, with its computational efficiency, serves as a force multiplier for data analysis and pattern identification. On the other front, human agents bring to the table a depth of interpretative skills and ethical considerations that enhance the narrative's authenticity and resonance.

In the not-so-distant future, the fusion of AI's analytical acumen and human discernment may yield the most comprehensive historical narratives. This collaborative approach, akin to joint intelligence operations, ensures a seamless amalgamation of computational precision and human intuition, resulting in narratives that resonate authentically with the intricacies of historical events.

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ThT is very interesting

Thanks

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Trulywonderful · 29/10/2023 00:17

Coughingdodger · 28/10/2023 23:48

Yes indeed. I couldn’t be bothered to respond to most of the anecdotal or made-up drivel - along with Islamophobia and thinly-disguised homophobia - on this thread.

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You have no idea what the thread is about have you and definitely have not read it!

Seriously tell us you just jump on a thread and spouting rubbish why don't you

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Trulywonderful · 29/10/2023 00:14

mollyfolk · 28/10/2023 22:39

I haven’t seen one post, not even one post that says that Hamas are a great bunch of lads. I think what Hamas did was horrendous AND I think the current Israeli government are extreme and their actions are disgusting and disproportionate. I don’t see a positive end goal in the decimation of Gaza - for either Israelis nor Palestinians. My politics lie in human rights. All lives are equal. Bodies are bodies at the end of the day.

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The threads with that kind of stuff got deleted at the beginning. There has still been some posters implying it heavily. Mumsnet delete their post when they have said it outright. Scroll back through old threads. You will see it.

Last few days have actually been better. I think some of the biggest idiots have either got banned or got bored here and found some where else to say nasty stuff

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Trulywonderful · 29/10/2023 00:07

Stomacharmeleon · 28/10/2023 22:46

@HeidiInTheBigCity I miss this kindly (and I really do) but did I ask? Or did someone ask? Or say I struggled with nuanced words? I just feel this is a bit left field....

That's why I said did I miss something?

Nope you didn't ask and neither did anyone else. I thought the poster had come on the wrong thread. Everyone here seems pretty good with their understanding of what various words mean in certain contexts. Even if they don't agree on which side they are on or better to not take 100% one side.

I can only assume poster has had a drink or two today

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Coughingdodger · 28/10/2023 23:48

Stopactingsosmall · 28/10/2023 21:39

Please don't lump all palestinians together. In every society there are people who hold controversial views. We can't say they the whole nation is like this. Please be just and fair rather than trying to malign all palestinians because it suits your narrative.

Yes indeed. I couldn’t be bothered to respond to most of the anecdotal or made-up drivel - along with Islamophobia and thinly-disguised homophobia - on this thread.

EasterIssland · 28/10/2023 23:42

iminvestednow · 28/10/2023 23:38

The crazy thing is that so many pro Palestine supporters are left wing. Good luck being gay or trans with hammas. Iran supports them, they are known the world over for tolerance and understanding, oh shit, no they’re not, they have morality police murdering those who don’t wear a head covering.

Because being gay in a country whose minsters belongs to far right political teams is easy peasy
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-63780509.amp

Noam party leader Avi Maoz shakes hands with Likud party leader and Israeli Prime Minister-designate Benjamin Netanyahu on 27 November 2022

Netanyahu signs coalition deal with anti-LGBT party - BBC News

Israel's PM-designate will hand a government post to a homophobic ultra-nationalist party leader.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-63780509.amp

Stopactingsosmall · 28/10/2023 23:41

Agree and also good luck being a palestinian in apartheid Israel .

iminvestednow · 28/10/2023 23:38

The crazy thing is that so many pro Palestine supporters are left wing. Good luck being gay or trans with hammas. Iran supports them, they are known the world over for tolerance and understanding, oh shit, no they’re not, they have morality police murdering those who don’t wear a head covering.

mollyfolk · 28/10/2023 23:20

EsmaCannonball · 26/10/2023 20:01

I have a friend, non-Jewish, who spent a year on a kibbutz, and it changed his life profoundly. He was headed for a lucrative management consultant job in the City but instead he became an aid worker. The fact that kibbutzes embody a lot of progressive, liberal and collective values but were particularly targeted by violent, intolerant religious fanatics seems to have passed the Queers/Feminists for Palestine lot behind.

It’s probably because the current Israeli government is so right wing now. At one point Israel was very much seen as this plucky democratic state who was socialist at heart. This impression has changed as the administration has moved more towards the right. They are also religious fanatics now.

Stopactingsosmall · 28/10/2023 23:10

I have no hostilies towards Jewish people. A criticism of Israel is not criticism of Jews. There are jewish people who have been protesting about Israel, do they dislike their fellow Jews? This is a difficult time for Jews, Muslims and others, very emotive subject, please do not feel personally attacked. We are just expressing our thoughts and listening to yours also.

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 28/10/2023 22:58

Anyone - sensible - with an interest in world affairs and UK politics will recognise the antisemitism that’s bursting out on MN.

There are anti-Israel posters who are clearly obsessed with Israel, as in being single-cause fanatics. That level of fixation on Israel is a big neon sign saying “there are plenty of causes to follow, but I follow this one because I distrust and dislike Jews and therefore I hate their homeland”.

It’s obvious. It’s obvious in the student societies, the branch meetings and motions of left-wing political parties, and among the pamphleteers, placard carriers and flag wavers. And it’s obvious on here too.

Stomacharmeleon · 28/10/2023 22:46

@HeidiInTheBigCity I miss this kindly (and I really do) but did I ask? Or did someone ask? Or say I struggled with nuanced words? I just feel this is a bit left field....

That's why I said did I miss something?

mollyfolk · 28/10/2023 22:39

iminvestednow · 28/10/2023 22:09

Honestly can no one see, the bad guys are the ones who went into a festival and raped, abused and kidnapped civilians with more brutality than I’ve ever witnessed. Did you not see the bloodied baby car seats. It’s barbaric and completely inexcusable. But hey, they’re Jews so fair game right? The antisemitism on here is vile, look the final solution and see where your politics lie.

I haven’t seen one post, not even one post that says that Hamas are a great bunch of lads. I think what Hamas did was horrendous AND I think the current Israeli government are extreme and their actions are disgusting and disproportionate. I don’t see a positive end goal in the decimation of Gaza - for either Israelis nor Palestinians. My politics lie in human rights. All lives are equal. Bodies are bodies at the end of the day.