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The people that don't call those that support Hamas

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Trulywonderful · 24/10/2023 16:32

Such a nice guy with a good morals obviously. What more do you want from a barrister or law firm that hasn't spoken out on this

(Sarcasm)

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Coughingdodger · 29/10/2023 11:33

Trulywonderful · 29/10/2023 10:59

I would probably be careful with that question. It is often used to provoke by iffy people. The Corbyn supporters used that one a lot a few years back. It doesn't sit well with people

If you want to know then do some research on the subject or pick up a book. Short answer is lack of understanding and differences. Then the Christian Bible and Quran convincing people that Jews killed Jesus. Though at the same time if you believe these books are factual then you will see evidence this wasn't the case too. Anyway ingrained prejuide in society because of religion that affects the views of even non religious people in those societies. However mostly pfear what they don't understand. That is human nature.

So you really think people hate Jews because they killed Jesus 2000 years ago? Really?

It was the Romans who killed Jesus by the way.

Why do you think people who hate Jews hate them NOW?

I don’t hate Jews (I don’t hate any people as a group) so I don’t know. But if you’ve been discriminated against and given a reason for it, then educate me.

Trulywonderful · 29/10/2023 11:18

etmoietmoietmoi · 29/10/2023 09:07

@Stopactingsosmall And just as an FYI, I think Jews are better able than you - a random non-Jew that parrots tropes she's seen on social media - to identify when antisemitism is real and when it isn't.

This

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Trulywonderful · 29/10/2023 11:16

RudsyFarmer · 29/10/2023 08:58

jews appear less visible as mainly of white appearance , better off, more educated and a strong position yet we are fed that anti semitism has gone up by ten folds since October 7th. Most of this is jews taking offence to social media posts where people are expressing opinions against actions of Israel and not personally attacking jewish individuals.

Wow! We’re not even hiding it anymore are we? How could these Jewish people be in anyway persecuted when they are ………. drum roll …….. white 😱and rich!!!

Yep not hiding anything there are they

Some people currently believe they can say whatever they like and are showing there true selves. Not surprising when others will come to defend them because they are following the same narrow narrative etc.

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Trulywonderful · 29/10/2023 11:11

Stopactingsosmall · 29/10/2023 08:58

Thousand apologies if I sound very confused, I acknowledge and can draw a distinction between real anti semitism and perceived anti semitism engineered in some peopes minds. A lot of communities are becoming more aware with some people crying anti semitism based on their perception and taking offence to others criticism of Israel.

As this thread is calling out actual incidents that that have happened lately. Whether that be on protests or in a lawyers social media profile. Plus I have only chosen clear incidents of hate without any chance of mislabelling. Not sure what your deal on the thread is. This thread was started only for the purpose of calling out such cases. These people are a danger to everyone not just Jews. A person that makes no distinction between Jews and Israel, that celebrates death is not a decent human beings and a risk to others in society.

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Stopactingsosmall · 29/10/2023 11:04

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To be honest I have only seen one real incident of Anti semitism in my life. When a Jewish man was walking minding his business and a group of school girls were shouting abuse at him. They were of mixed nationalities. I wanted to stop him to tell him to report to police, but he carried on walking and ignored them. He was wearing a Kippa. Which drew their attention. This was hate incident,imo. But my main view comes from media , reporting of Anti semitism when people have accused Jeremy Corbyn when he has been seen pro palestinian. Why people " hate" Jews? I don't hate Jews. I would say its the Jewish lobby who are criticised. A lot to do with Palestine issue, Jews perceived to be " controlling " media and influential and they have USA and the west on their side. I know, I know this is all stereotyping but reasons behind some views. I personally know three Jewish ladies who went to play group with me, I talk to them when I see them. To me they are people first rather their religion. Sorry this is a hurried post, as I am cooking at this time. Oh and since 7th Oct I no longer see a Jewish family in park , whose boys wore kippa. I like to think no one will abuse them if they were to visit park, I would defend them if someone showed any hostility as they have nothing to do with what Israel is doing. So I would say jews who look " visibly " jews i.e. wearing kippa or head covering are at higher risk of being victim of anti semitism. I won't continue commenting on this thread as quite busy.

Trulywonderful · 29/10/2023 10:59

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I would probably be careful with that question. It is often used to provoke by iffy people. The Corbyn supporters used that one a lot a few years back. It doesn't sit well with people

If you want to know then do some research on the subject or pick up a book. Short answer is lack of understanding and differences. Then the Christian Bible and Quran convincing people that Jews killed Jesus. Though at the same time if you believe these books are factual then you will see evidence this wasn't the case too. Anyway ingrained prejuide in society because of religion that affects the views of even non religious people in those societies. However mostly pfear what they don't understand. That is human nature.

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Trulywonderful · 29/10/2023 10:50

"David Hirsch, founder for the London Centre for the Study of Contemporary Anti-Semitism, described the unadulterated joy of the protesters as akin to football fans.
He said: 'Some Londoners on the demo were thrilled by the

1,400 Hamas murders, like football fans are when their team wins.
'The joy of their victory lit up their faces. They taunted Jews with a religious certainty that there would be more Jew-killing soon.'"

I don't always agree with this man however he is right about half the protesters on these marches. They literally are bubbling with joy at the moment. Frankly some people show no sign of being there because they want a ceasefire or give a hoot about civilian deaths.

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Trulywonderful · 29/10/2023 10:43

Last night after a video emerged showing a woman taking part in the pro-Palestine march through London on Sunday holding an effigy of a dead baby and shouting 'Slaughter the Jews'.

Police are appealing for information to identify her and a second woman, who both led the chant in full view of dozens of onlookers.

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EasternStandard · 29/10/2023 10:35

LondonMummer · 29/10/2023 10:30

@Coughingdodger you tell me! Have you asked black people why they are subject to racism? Do you think it's their fault? Do you think antisemitism is mine?

Like I said I have stood in Westminster alongside other Jewish people in protest at the more extreme end of the current Israeli government. Not that it should matter.

People have always hated the "other".

Posts like this simply fuel that despicable hatred further by implying there 'must be something in it'

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LondonMummer · 29/10/2023 10:30

@Coughingdodger you tell me! Have you asked black people why they are subject to racism? Do you think it's their fault? Do you think antisemitism is mine?

Like I said I have stood in Westminster alongside other Jewish people in protest at the more extreme end of the current Israeli government. Not that it should matter.

People have always hated the "other".

Posts like this simply fuel that despicable hatred further by implying there 'must be something in it'

Coughingdodger · 29/10/2023 10:15

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LondonMummer · 29/10/2023 09:57

@Stopactingsosmall

Apologies if I caused offence to you.

Thank you. I accept your apology.

I hope given the response you received on here you appreciate that what you posted was not just offensive to me but played into so much Jewish hatred.

Please, please in the interests of building shared understanding I absolutely beg you to read either of the short suggestions I gave you. I hope it might help you and others to understand why. David Baddiel (yes he's not perfect, not saying he is) says often that he is both an atheist and someone who has no affinity or interest in Israel. This is helpful because it shows just how separate these issues are when it comes to antisemitism. Please read his short polemic Jews Don't Count to understand why some of what you posted is upsetting.

For now, Shalom. Peace.

Coughingdodger · 29/10/2023 09:46

RudsyFarmer · 29/10/2023 08:58

jews appear less visible as mainly of white appearance , better off, more educated and a strong position yet we are fed that anti semitism has gone up by ten folds since October 7th. Most of this is jews taking offence to social media posts where people are expressing opinions against actions of Israel and not personally attacking jewish individuals.

Wow! We’re not even hiding it anymore are we? How could these Jewish people be in anyway persecuted when they are ………. drum roll …….. white 😱and rich!!!

Read the post again.

Coughingdodger · 29/10/2023 09:45

@Stopactingsosmall

Images of white Jews are posted, not the Middle Eastern or Bedouin Jews…

The above is what you posted. You were not being anti-Semitic. You were pointing out that the propaganda you have seen ignores the many Israelis who are not white and only highlights white Israelis so as to make them look more “Western” and “just like us”.

To more effectively contrast them, of course, against the evil brown Hamas terrorists (of which every single brown Gazan, including the 50% who are children, is apparently a member).

Thus othering the brown Gazans as much as possible (while ignoring the racial and demographic realities of Israelis) and whipping up as much hatred as possible.

This was the message I got from your post and you are perfectly correct.

Stopactingsosmall · 29/10/2023 09:32

LondonMummer · 29/10/2023 09:20

@Stopactingsosmall maybe you've never been called it because you've never shared these offensive views with Jewish people or for that matter any other tolerant person who can spot racism a mile off.

Apologies if I caused offence to you.

Rubbishagain · 29/10/2023 09:28

FuckingBunts · 29/10/2023 04:25

I actually think all the religious/"person on street" dialogue is all hot air.

People like the ones who have, and will sadly be killed are just being used as pawns.

Some people and organisations (whether they have Muslim or Jewish or Christian names or labels) are, and will be, getting VERY rich on the back of these actions. We probably don't and will never know who most of them are.

They're the ones owning streets in London and penthouses in New York. They have media connections, so of course they can control information flows.

The noisy annoying bloke attending a demonstration or the uncouth settlers captured on film can be the easy scapegoat.

"Women's rights" or "minority rights" only start being publicised when the profit lies in wanting to attack a country or start conflict.

Yeh, everyone suddenly gives a shit about the Uighurs "right to authentically practice Islam". Nothing to do with a trade war with China.

Irans women's rights are suddenly VERY encouraged and important (bear in mind we could take footage from ANY country and edit it and use it as proof that country is collapsing and others should intervene).

If Iran is destabilised in a "colour revolution" (paid for by the USA) who the fuck is going to be taking responsibility for women's safety in the anarchy that follows a collapse of state?

But some "feminists" behind a keyboard in other nations will be banking plenty money from the conflict.

A defence ministers daughter can set up a charity to "Support Iranian Women's Education" and get a cushy role for life and a gong and awards.

How much have defence and weapons stocks risen over the last five years? Who profited from the Afghanistan mess? I think one senior military officer described his job as a "thug for Wall Street".

There's lots of mining companies and aid agency presidents and Directors of NGO funds laughing all the way to the bank, as working class british kids collect their lunch money to help the starving kids they see on the TV.

It's not just the "token bad guys with guns" as well.

Lots of big organisations, charities, "aid companies"...there's so much money in refugees and conflict, they NEED it to keep going.

How much money has flowed into Ukraine, on a tide of publicity and goodwill, to rebuild cities that has just "gone somewhere"?

How much money is being corruptly diverted for the "green" agenda right now? Put "Environment" on it and that's a few million if you're in the right place.

Solidarity goes out of the window for ultra rich people.

I reckon there's "civilised looking" people ostenibly on Israels "side" who profited from those murdered settlers, just as there are "civilised looking" people on the Palestinan "side" profiting from kids being murdered in Gaza.

They'll be sleeping well whilst everyone else is getting worked up and horrified.

The Daily Mail hated Jews for a while, then it was Poles, now its onto brown people. All profit.

And the profits rack up for the owners (and yes, there will be rich Jewish, and Muslim, and Polish people who would and will happily dine with the Rothermeres).

Never a truer word spoken. Thanks for sharing and putting it so eloquently.

RudsyFarmer · 29/10/2023 09:28

Hiding behind the veneer of faux ignorance to fan the flames a little more.

TutuDesi · 29/10/2023 09:21

LondonMummer · 29/10/2023 08:08

@Stopactingsosmall

'just my thoughts, no offence meant...'

Yet you have trotted out almost every antisemitic trope in the book your post:

jews appear less visible as mainly of white appearance , better off, more educated and a strong position yet we are fed that anti semitism has gone up by ten folds since October 7th. Most of this is jews taking offence to social media posts where people are expressing opinions against actions of Israel and not personally attacking jewish individuals.

Read Jews Don't Count. Read the International definition of antisemitism. This IS offensive. Offensive to me.

Also do you have a hotline to the police that somehow means that you have been told personally that 'most' reports of antisemitism are related to social media posts against Israel? Seriously. As if people like me would have the time to report anti every Israel social media post.

Thank you. The increase in anti-Semitic hate crimes are not Jewish communities taking offence to comments on social media or chants of jihad in the streets as these are actually non-crime hate incidents and are counted seperately from the reported increase in hate crimes. Hate crimes are more serious and involve assault/attempted assault, vandalism, and direct threats of death/rape/bodily harm person to person, or say a bomb threat.

The fact the media isn’t reporting the avalanche of non-crime hate incidents and only the hate crimes is an example of how media bias minimises what we are facing as Jewish people in Britain.

On a side note, it is also important to point out that a smaller increase in islamaphobic hate crimes and non-crime hate incidents has also occurred during this same time period. To a certain extent this is also not being widely reported in British news.

People who are neither Jewish nor Muslim are usually the ones committing these hate incidents and hate crimes. There are segments of Britain that see this conflict as an excuse to unmask their bigotry and hatred.

LondonMummer · 29/10/2023 09:20

@Stopactingsosmall maybe you've never been called it because you've never shared these offensive views with Jewish people or for that matter any other tolerant person who can spot racism a mile off.

etmoietmoietmoi · 29/10/2023 09:18

Just stating my opinion no intention to cause offence
Never been called anti-semite before, just expressing my opinion

@Stopactingsosmall Well I'm calling you one now. Stop acting so small and own your fucking racism. I would suggest the first step is to try and understand why your stream of antisemitic slurs above might have led to you being called an antisemite.

Stopactingsosmall · 29/10/2023 09:15

etmoietmoietmoi · 29/10/2023 09:04

can draw a distinction between real anti semitism and perceived anti semitism engineered in some peopes minds.

The fucking gumption - you literally just spewed "real anti semitism".

When you say a lot of communities are becoming more aware, I assume you mean more aware that the Jews are lying. You're a raging antisemite. You must be delighted that finally you can be one quite so openly!

Never been called anti-semite before, just expressing my opinion.

LondonMummer · 29/10/2023 09:08

Stopactingsosmall · 29/10/2023 08:58

Thousand apologies if I sound very confused, I acknowledge and can draw a distinction between real anti semitism and perceived anti semitism engineered in some peopes minds. A lot of communities are becoming more aware with some people crying anti semitism based on their perception and taking offence to others criticism of Israel.

You don't sound confused at all. You sound ignorant at best and just like every other antisemite at worst.

etmoietmoietmoi · 29/10/2023 09:07

@Stopactingsosmall And just as an FYI, I think Jews are better able than you - a random non-Jew that parrots tropes she's seen on social media - to identify when antisemitism is real and when it isn't.

Stopactingsosmall · 29/10/2023 09:05

RudsyFarmer · 29/10/2023 08:58

jews appear less visible as mainly of white appearance , better off, more educated and a strong position yet we are fed that anti semitism has gone up by ten folds since October 7th. Most of this is jews taking offence to social media posts where people are expressing opinions against actions of Israel and not personally attacking jewish individuals.

Wow! We’re not even hiding it anymore are we? How could these Jewish people be in anyway persecuted when they are ………. drum roll …….. white 😱and rich!!!

Just stating my opinion no intention to cause offence, the level of hostility differs towards ALL people depending on their colour, age, social status, education, nationality, religion, financial status and so on. I thought this is seen daily everywhere, obvious to see, no one can hide it.

etmoietmoietmoi · 29/10/2023 09:04

Stopactingsosmall · 29/10/2023 08:58

Thousand apologies if I sound very confused, I acknowledge and can draw a distinction between real anti semitism and perceived anti semitism engineered in some peopes minds. A lot of communities are becoming more aware with some people crying anti semitism based on their perception and taking offence to others criticism of Israel.

can draw a distinction between real anti semitism and perceived anti semitism engineered in some peopes minds.

The fucking gumption - you literally just spewed "real anti semitism".

When you say a lot of communities are becoming more aware, I assume you mean more aware that the Jews are lying. You're a raging antisemite. You must be delighted that finally you can be one quite so openly!